Poll: Who's going to win on Saturday?

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Quasievil]

from the website
• National and personal security
• Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
• Individual freedom and choice
• Personal responsibility
• Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
• Limited government
• Strong families and caring communities
• Sustainable development of our environment
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Does it occur to you that many of these are mutually exclusive?
National and personal security from small government?
Equal opportunity from competitive enterprise, remember the ECA?
Strong families, caring communities and sustainable development from small government?

[Keystone19]

but you dont have to now youve waved the flag, you can just vote National in defeat ?

No, no, no, I can't. In my last post I was going to right ok, you win, I'll vote ....but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I just can't. I am a left wing socialist, I can't help myself...

[Ixion]

You are all pawns in the hands of the imperialist capitalist warlords and their bourgois puppets.

Vote COMMUNIST.

Free bikes for all proletarians

[Keystone19]

[QUOTE=Quasievil][QUOTE=Keystone19]

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Will never vote National

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Would vote for Greens first

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but you dont have to now youve waved the flag, you can just vote National in defeat ?

Will never happen...

[enigma51]

Never say never!

[Lou Girardin]

You are all pawns in the hands of the imperialist capitalist warlords and their bourgois puppets.

Vote COMMUNIST.

Free bikes for all proletarians

A Cossack or Ural for all.
(All party aparatchniks, that is)

[MSTRS:Me]

I am hoping the Nats win. I also hope the swinging voter will stand in front of their ballotpaper and think "I'm sick of being engineered so National get both my ticks (since there is NO viable alternative)". This would mean the National get 50+% and go say 'Yah Boo Sucks' to the rest of the parties.

[Keystone19]

I am hoping the Nats win. I also hope the swinging voter will stand in front of their ballotpaper and think "I'm sick of being engineered so National get both my ticks (since there is NO viable alternative)". This would mean the National get 50+% and go say 'Yah Boo Sucks' to the rest of the parties.

Hah, won't happen. IF national gets in (which they won't) Don Rash will have to form a coalition with ACT and that will mean the nebulous waffling policies that they want to implement won't get passed anyway because they will be too right wing even for national...

[Lou Girardin]

I am hoping the Nats win. I also hope the swinging voter will stand in front of their ballotpaper and think "I'm sick of being engineered so National get both my ticks (since there is NO viable alternative)". This would mean the National get 50+% and go say 'Yah Boo Sucks' to the rest of the parties.

Don't remember the Muldoon years then?
Democratic dictatorships.

[Quasievil]

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin]

Does it occur to you that many of these are mutually exclusive?
National and personal security from small government?
Equal opportunity from competitive enterprise, remember the ECA?
Strong families, caring communities and sustainable development from small government?

Im not entirely sure what you mean Lou but I wouldnt say mutually exclusive at all, Policies are generally interactive in some way or another.
I prefer personally to expect bugger all from the government, I prefer freedom of choice and to make decisions myself and be accountable for them and to fund them myself. Im into less government intervention and more personal choice princepally because I can spend my dollar far better than any government can any day of the week. However in saying that in this country we have to many dead beat num skulls and social retards who pride themselves on being social throwbacks, couple that with lefty PC glorification merchants that see a rose in every gutter what chance do the people who want to get ahead have with that related tax take on there pay packets.

Im sick to death of DPB career mothers (yes they exsist), Dole Bludgers and the like who need not be on a welfare but choose to Im also sick to death of the labour party who has and always will enable such leaches to bleed us willingly.

Im also extremely pissed with a government that rates itself as the moral leaders of the country.
Infact Im sick of alot of things, sadly most of my political gripes will never be satisfied, Im prepared for that but I do enjoy venting from time to time, this is one of those occasions.

Nothing personal to anyone we can all have our views and Im happy to hear other views also I kinda enjoy a good debate on this subject though

[Quasievil]

Don't remember the Muldoon years then?
Democratic dictatorships.

Yup I remember that, one brand of washing maching, one brand of carpet, government approval for subscribing to a foreign magazine, luckily a different era and far from what we have now. Thanks to the business round table and rodgernomices

[Keystone19]

Im sick to death of DPB career mothers (yes they exsist), Dole Bludgers and the like who need not be on a welfare but choose to Im also sick to death of the labour party who has and always will enable such leaches to bleed us willingly.

Ok, can't let this one slide on by...

No doubt there are some people who choose to remain on the DPB unnecessarily (please note that you do not have to be a mother to be on the DPB, fathers are also users of this form of welfare), however, until the government - national or labour) can come up with decent childcare, decent pay rates for women, and decent after school care for children, then for many people there is no choice but to go on the DPB. And thank God we have it because if we didn't then where would our kids be?

[Keystone19]

Yup I remember that, one brand of washing maching, one brand of carpet, government approval for subscribing to a foreign magazine, luckily a different era and far from what we have now. Thanks to the business round table and rodgernomices

But still national. Their basic philosophy has not changed...

[Ixion]

Ok, can't let this one slide on by...

No doubt there are some people who choose to remain on the DPB unnecessarily (please note that you do not have to be a mother to be on the DPB, fathers are also users of this form of welfare), however, until the government - national or labour) can come up with decent childcare, decent pay rates for women, and decent after school care for children, then for many people there is no choice but to go on the DPB. And thank God we have it because if we didn't then where would our kids be?

Hm. Wife's great aunt lost her husband (illness) with 4 young children.

Back before there was a DPB. Or any other sort of welfare (except the old age pension I think).

She didn't have a lot of choices. Just rolled her sleeves up and got on with it.

No childcare at all. No after school care for children. No DPB.And no equal pay then : women DID get lower pay than men then - there were two pay rates for a lot of jobs - one for women, higher one for men.

Just hard yacker. Year after year.

Where are those kids now? Pretty well. Everyone of them a good citizen, good jobs, stable married lives, grandkids with University education. Maybe they're where they are because they didn't grow up with a "don't have to work, you're entitled " message?

Closer to today, I know a woman, with kid. She works three jobs, all part time, maybe 60 hours a week all up.Makes less from them after tax and travel expenses than she would get on the DPB. She was on it (DPB) for a while - threw it in , says she didn't 't respect herself .

So yeah, there is a choice.

On t'other hand, I wouldn't want to see women have to go through that Mrs Ixion's great aunt did nowdays. Trouble with any scheme that decent people devise to help those who genuinely deserve help, is that it gets taken over by the leeches. And like as not the people who deserve the help end up missing out anyway.

[Lias]

Hah, won't happen. IF national gets in (which they won't) Don Rash will have to form a coalition with ACT and that will mean the nebulous waffling policies that they want to implement won't get passed anyway because they will be too right wing even for national...

You are right about one thing at least, national are far too centre-right.

I'm still voting for them however, because the Direct Democrats have a snowballs chance. What NZ really needs is a real right wing party, not the marginally right of centre party that is National.

Things I want to see in my lifetime, but never will under Labour OR National:

Compulsory reacqusition of all former state owned enterprises.
Re-introduction of trade sanctions and subsidies to protect local business.
Strict immigration, only allowing immigrants who speak excellent english, and the elimination of "chain imigration"
Hard labour instead of jailtime ("Prisons" should turn profits, not be a drain on the taxpayer, and anyone who has commited a crime so heinous they are not suitable for a labour scheme should be executed.)
Abolition of defense lawyers.
Strict time limits on welfare benefits (6 months for the dole, better systems in place to ensure mothers on the DPB return to the workforce etc)
Return to full membership of the ANZUS treaty, and increased defense spending to allow us to be a genuine military ally to Australia.
Abolition of the Nuclear ban, and active development of nuclear power in NZ
Replacement of the Treaty of Waitangi with a constitution giving equal rights to all NZ'ers
Relaxtion of firearms laws, and a constitutionally guaranteed right to use lethal force in the defense of property. (No more prosecuting farmers for shooting thieving fuckwits!)
Constitutional right to free speech, ensuring the wording precludes any "Hate Speech" type thought control ever being introduced to law.

Sadly thou we have too many scum sucking lefites in this once-beautiful nation of ours, and I think its far more likely were just going to turn into a cesspool of welfare dependant crims