Alarm Installation

[notme]

forgot about this..
Rudolph, we sorted it (if you read the posts) on the 24th sept.. but thanx for the offer..

Allun, I had two issues with it, I was going to PM you with, but might as well just outline it here.

1) the remote start. Couldn't get it to fire off the remote. I attached the start wire from the alarm to the wire coming from the push button on the handle bars (thinking logically), but it wouldn't fire. Which wire did you attach it to?

2) couldn't get the thing to talk (brown wire to ign acc power). Found and tried several lines (and blew a fuse), but wasn't happening. Don't know if that's a blessing (it says 'Welcome to your motorcycle' as the ing is switched on...).. Don't know if PF wants that bit working.

However, I did get the alarm wired in, lights flashing, alarm chirping and being set off when someone sat on it. So that's the primary goals. And, as an added bonus, the bike still started and rode off, even after I had touched it!!

The brown wire is so the alarm knows when the bike is on or off - I connected it to an accessory wire (any wire that goes from 0V to 12V when the ign is switched on will do). I should have mentioned - MINE DOESN'T TALK! Couldn't get it to talk no matter what i did, so I think they are just a different version of the product that is mislabelled or something....as you say, i think it's a blessing rather than a problem IMHO!

As for the remote start, there are 2 possibilities - the bike either runs negative start or positive start signals from the starter button - most likely positive. You select which polarity signal you want the alarm to put out buy connecting the blue wire with the bullet type connector on it to either the red (positive start) or black (negative start) wires with the bullet connectors on them (this is at the alarm box). If it's not working, swap to the other type of start signal (5 second job once you get to wherever the wires are hidden away now!)

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15935

The only other thing it could be is that you got the wrong wire from the handlebar start switch.....unlikely since there's probably only one wire from it rather than 2.

To start the bike, the alarm turns off the ignition disable, turns on the ignition, and pulses the start line for about 1.5 sec. It's a bit weird to come up to the bike and put the key in (bike already running) and turn it to ON (bike still running) ..... and when you stop, you'll turn the key off, and the bike will stay running until you hit the alarm disarm button!

So what i do is start it remotely, then when i get to the bike i put the key in and turn it on, then hit the alarm disarm button before i ride off....

[bugjuice]

I found an acc line and wired it to that, but nothing happened as it explained. Can't remember if I left it there or removed it and taped it up..

I found the starter wire with the volt tester (a bulb inside a sharp sticky thing. Need to buy a proper tester), which lit up when I pressed the starter. So I thought that was the easiest choice. I'll see about the other wire running to it (must have two wires, one each way) and see if that's the trick. Might just have been wired up on the wrong side of the signal/loop. Starting to make sence now actually..

PF, if you want to pop round again, I'll have another look and get that bit working..

[notme]

I found the starter wire with the volt tester (a bulb inside a sharp sticky thing. Need to buy a proper tester), which lit up when I pressed the starter. So I thought that was the easiest choice. I'll see about the other wire running to it (must have two wires, one each way) and see if that's the trick. Might just have been wired up on the wrong side of the signal/loop. Starting to make sence now actually..

If the test light lit up when pressing the starter then that's the bugger you need....most likely you just have the wrong option selected on the alarm. Swap it to the other option and hopefully that's all there is to it

[bugjuice]

If the test light lit up when pressing the starter then that's the bugger you need....most likely you just have the wrong option selected on the alarm. Swap it to the other option and hopefully that's all there is to it

option? there was only one, that's why I was so convinced that even I couldn't go wrong! but I'll swap it to the other wire if that's what you mean.. see what works

[notme]

referring to:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15935

where it says "start option wire" - you have 2 options, i.e. plug the short wire with bullet connector into either red or black for + or - start signal respectively....can you remember which one it's plugged into at the mo?

[bugjuice]

referring to:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15935

where it says "start option wire" - you have 2 options, i.e. plug the short wire with bullet connector into either red or black for + or - start signal respectively....can you remember which one it's plugged into at the mo?

didn't use the bullet plugs. The light blue wire in the wiring loom. There wasn't anywhere in the bikes' loom that used the same plug as what was used on the alarm. And it wouldn't reach that far either. Might relook at the diagram. It said that those bullet connectors were optional

[notme]

didn't use the bullet plugs. The light blue wire in the wiring loom. There wasn't anywhere in the bikes' loom that used the same plug as what was used on the alarm. And it wouldn't reach that far either. Might relook at the diagram. It said that those bullet connectors were optional

I think i see the problem....those instructions are bloody terrible by the way (i'm sure you know this!)

A picture is worth blah blah blah so here's one for ya:

HTH

[bugjuice]

thanks for that (memories flooding back )
So if I run a wire from the + and - bullets up to the starter button to make that fire, where does the blue one sit/attach to then?

[notme]

How about this then.....

See, in my case (as i think it will be for PF) i need + start, so i connect the RED bullet to the blue wire at the alarm, and the long blue wire that comes from the loom goes to my starter switch.

So the long blue wire from the loom is the one that goes to the starter switch, and it sounds like you have that all correct, it's just the fact that you don't have the correct option chosen for + or - start, which you do by plugging the bullet connector into either black or red at the alarm.

Clear as mud?

[bugjuice]

Clear as mud?

yip.. have to have a coffee and read that a couple of times.. thanx tho

[crashe]

and buggy dont forget that there were two separate BLACK wires as well hehehehehe.

[notme]

Something that happenned a surprising amount of times (back when i was but a wee car stereo and alarm installing lad), was people who'd chosen to buy an alarm and install it themselves would come in and say "I cut off this spare black wire and now the remote has a range of about 10cm....."

So make sure you DON'T cut the ANTENNA wire. :slap:

[crashe]

Something that happenned a surprising amount of times (back when i was but a wee car stereo and alarm installing lad), was people who'd chosen to buy an alarm and install it themselves would come in and say "I cut off this spare black wire and now the remote has a range of about 10cm....."

So make sure you DON'T cut the ANTENNA wire. :slap:

so thats what the extra long BLACK wire was for....
Buggy thought it was another EARTH wire......

Ummm Buggy I dont think its meant to go where you put it now...
Is it supposed to just lay there out of site or what?

[notme]

oh oh....crashe are you kicking my bucket?
(people with more modern household plumbing would have said "pulling my chain....)

If not, then yup - that wire should be tucked away, keeping it as straight as possible. It's probably fine where it is, if the range of the remote is ok (for reference, my PERFECTLY installed alarm (yeah whatever) will respond from about 200m away, line of sight.

[crashe]

oh oh....crashe are you kicking my bucket?
(people with more modern household plumbing would have said "pulling my chain....)

If not, then yup - that wire should be tucked away, keeping it as straight as possible. It's probably fine where it is, if the range of the remote is ok (for reference, my PERFECTLY installed alarm (yeah whatever) will respond from about 200m away, line of sight.

I aint pulling your chain/bucket...
He insisited it was another EARTH wire and has also screwed it under a bolt... and it aint straight no more....
BUT he didn't cut it.....

I did say that its strange to have two earth wires...
But that was the first time I had seen an alarm being installed.

The short black wire is earthed to where it should go...
He just needs to know unscrew the other long black wire and lay it out flat..

and none of us had your phone number on the day either.