Speed - what slows you down?

**rastuscat** · 28th December 2014, 17:08

Originally Posted by Brett

I have had encounters with some absolutely shocking coppers on an insane ego/power trip .............................To the corollary, I have encountered some most excellent cops too. Like any profession, you get the good ones and the horrendous ones.

Interesting observation of yours.

I work with some people who I wouldn't want to be dealing with the public due their lack of tact, tolerance and common sense.

I also work with some people who show the patience of a saint when they deal with people who are acting like spoiled children.

It's called being human. Sometimes it's the fault of the cop, but sometimes it's the fault of the driver with the chip on his shoulder.

On balance, most folk I deal with are pretty damn fine people who have a sometimes shitty job to do.

Just my observations back.

**Edbear** · 28th December 2014, 17:09

Originally Posted by unstuck

So you have the mental control of a horny schoolboy then?

P.S. Do not take Viagra if you have had any issues with your heart.

Ummmm, no. I'm well past that stage now.

**R650R** · 28th December 2014, 17:34

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Only if you buy the speed kills rhetoric.

The message (rhetoric) is an over simplified one but you cant argue it. MC2 and all. The thing is cops are talking about speed when things go wrong, where as joe blow keyboard grand prix champion only talks about speed in every instance until the last milliseconds before a crash being cool.

Lets say someone invented a physical crash simulator that ran on a set of rails. You could ride it with whatever safety gear you want. At point x it would automatically eject the rider.
You could choose to ride this machine at either 100k or 160k, which one would you choose. Oh btw there will be roadside furniture, trees etc to keep it real....

Something like deathrace movie

**Scuba_Steve** · 28th December 2014, 18:08

Originally Posted by R650R

Lets say someone invented a physical crash simulator that ran on a set of rails. You could ride it with whatever safety gear you want. At point x it would automatically eject the rider.
You could choose to ride this machine at either 100k or 160k, which one would you choose. Oh btw there will be roadside furniture, trees etc to keep it real....

160km/h... lets face it you're fucked at either speed so might as well have some fun on the way out

**bluninja** · 28th December 2014, 18:26

Originally Posted by R650R

The message (rhetoric) is an over simplified one but you cant argue it. MC2 and all. The thing is cops are talking about speed when things go wrong, where as joe blow keyboard grand prix champion only talks about speed in every instance until the last milliseconds before a crash being cool.

Lets say someone invented a physical crash simulator that ran on a set of rails. You could ride it with whatever safety gear you want. At point x it would automatically eject the rider.
You could choose to ride this machine at either 100k or 160k, which one would you choose. Oh btw there will be roadside furniture, trees etc to keep it real....

Something like deathrace movie

Of course you can argue it...and be totally correct. Increased speed reduces the time to react and increases the stopping distance; fact. However the "over simplified" adage that you should "ride at a speed that allows you to stop in the distance that you can see to be clear" allows one to select an appropriate speed (sometimes above the posted limit) and not have an accident.

There's already crash simulators, and even little demo models the road safety tem in the UK had for major public events where they strap you in and then roll you down the rails at about 6kmh and then stop you suddenly, so you can feel what a high G stop feels like from a slow speed. Why go for the high tech approach? just get up to speed on your bike and then pull the front brake lever on as hard and as fast as you can and don't release.

You can always choose not to ride the machine, just like you can choose to ride a bike with or without your brain engaged. Regardless of speed you will be more likely to crash if you don't engage your brain and drive to the conditions. If you don't crash, speed doesn't matter.

The remade death race movie...preferred the original.

**awayatc** · 28th December 2014, 18:31

Did ride at 100 kph........

the most boring 3 minutes of my life.....

may as well sell the bike if that's all you are ever supposed to do....

slitting wrists doesn't sound so bad anymore....

my diesel ute slows me down....
Bikes..... .?

get fucked......

happy new year

**Flip** · 30th December 2014, 19:01

Just got in from a 600ish km ride around the east cape.

Didnt see one scrote and there was only one asshole camera van near Matawai.

**xenothius** · 31st December 2014, 13:11

i always ride to the conditions (weather, road, traffic, alertness, etc) and usually not under or on the posted limit,

(unless conditions require)
never been pulled over and never had a speed camera ticket (touch wood)

**Brett** · 3rd January 2015, 15:28

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Interesting observation of yours.

I work with some people who I wouldn't want to be dealing with the public due their lack of tact, tolerance and common sense.

I also work with some people who show the patience of a saint when they deal with people who are acting like spoiled children.

It's called being human. Sometimes it's the fault of the cop, but sometimes it's the fault of the driver with the chip on his shoulder.

On balance, most folk I deal with are pretty damn fine people who have a sometimes shitty job to do.

Just my observations back.

I definitely pity you decent cops the morons that you must have to deal with. Some people are so self-entitled and so arrogant that you must literally want to give them a good smack with a gloved fist sometimes! Would take a lot of patience at times.

**AllanB** · 3rd January 2015, 15:34

Originally Posted by Brett

Some people are so self-entitled and so arrogant that you must literally want to give them a good smack with a gloved fist sometimes! Would take a lot of patience at times.

I could propose that if the police were allowed one smack as law, maybe some of those arses would be more polite. I can remember when young (13-14 ish) hanging with some mates around the corner shops a copper arrived (looking for donuts?) and one of the group made some stupid comment - cop gave us a lecture, mate continued his lip and the cop spun him around and gave him one swift kick up the arse. Apologizes flowed from said mate - respect was given the police from then on.

**Brett** · 3rd January 2015, 15:35

On the topic of cops...some are the worst bloody hypocrites regarding speed too! Observations from the passed several years:

1) cop who challenged me to a race through the Karangahake Gorge while it was closed due to an overturned truck at the entrance. It was fun, I was grateful.

2) A relative who is a copper overtook me on a rural back road of Taranaki at 220+kph in his V8.

3) Several copper bikers I have known over the years who regularly used to see "jail time" speeds on rides.

To be fair, I think it would be these folk who would use common sense when looking to pull over other speeders though. Ie - the bloke going 125kph up an overtaking lane.

**Brett** · 3rd January 2015, 15:42

Originally Posted by AllanB

I could propose that if the police were allowed one smack as law, maybe some of those arses would be more polite. I can remember when young (13-14 ish) hanging with some mates around the corner shops a copper arrived (looking for donuts?) and one of the group made some stupid comment - cop gave us a lecture, mate continued his lip and the cop spun him around and gave him one swift kick up the arse. Apologizes flowed from said mate - respect was given the police from then on.

Haha...reminds me of another Police story.

Several years ago, i was very keen on joining the plods. Went along for an evening with a cop mate. Were patrolling central when we picked up some dumbarse for car theft and destruction of property. Rocked up to Police Central to process him and at the same time, some young dick head from the Killer Beez had been caught having done a runner in a stolen car. Cops dragged the sorry little prick into the station and he starts giving them real rude lip. The one cop responded that if he drove as well as he gave cheek he may not have been caught. This set the little fire cracker of a wanker off on a real rant wanting to fight anyone around. (Basically started kicking out trying to hit anyone in range and yelling "come on then, I will fuck you's up"). One of the Senior Sergeants responded with an "Ok then" and instructed his cable tie cuffs be released. With little warning he launched into the thug and gave him a real beating. The cunt then fell on the floor crying and yelling "I'm sorry my bosses, I'm sorry". They then threw his arse into a cell.

I just thought that the whole thing was bloody hilarious. Served the arrogant prick right.

**FJRider** · 3rd January 2015, 15:48

Originally Posted by AllanB

I could propose that if the police were allowed one smack as law, maybe some of those arses would be more polite. I can remember when young (13-14 ish) hanging with some mates around the corner shops a copper arrived (looking for donuts?) and one of the group made some stupid comment - cop gave us a lecture, mate continued his lip and the cop spun him around and gave him one swift kick up the arse. Apologizes flowed from said mate - respect was given the police from then on.

The law in itself hasn't changed .. the "My rights are more important than your rights" era arrived.