Speed - what slows you down?

[skippa1]

That's a kind offer, but no.

Is that the official line?

[R650R]

Nope.

Having hypothetically just had this experience, the rules are 40km/h over a permanent speed limit or 50km/h over a temporary speed limit results in an instant suspension for 28 days and a walk home.

Then, you will have an appearance in traffic court (probably in front of a JP rather than a judge) charged with exceeding the permanent speed limit by more than 40km/h, resulting in a fine and 50 demerit points. Depending on how the charge has been laid, you could be up for a grand, or 10 grand.

Depending on where you are in the country you will probably find that you will also be charged with dangerous driving - this is up to the police prosecutor and policies of the local police force. It is the dangerous driving charge, not the excess speed charge, that that carries the disqualification which is a minimum of 6 months.

You may find that you have been charged with careless instead of dangerous, which carries a minimum of 3 months.

Meanwhile back in the real world none of this shit happens. There's been plenty of high speed offence cases in our local news, none of them have gone to jail and only token extra fines on top of their other offences, the usual wet bus ticket arrangement.

[R650R]

Yep.

Keeping left
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303041.html

and here's the passing on the left bit
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303050.html

Cool overtaking on the left perfectly legal in separate lanes as I thought.

[AllanB]

Of course there are no driveways in rural areas are there and they'll never be a milk tanker pulling out of the driveway when your coming past at 140 will there... Livestock wandering in long grass and goats are lot more prolific and unpredictable than kids chasing a ball...
There many rural roads that are no longer fun on the bike due to so many lifestyle blocks going in, too many driveways... Of course on your 140k thrash you'd prob not notice until too late...
Thanks for sharing your logic and you could prob debate it quite well but if you don't accept the high risk you wont be planning for it either...

Chill, you are taking a question way to personally.

Lower risk in a carefully selected environment on the perfect day :-) Anytime you get into or onto any vehicle (or even a scooter) you are accepting a certain amount of risk. Ensuring you are not acting like a total knob is an entirely different matter. Thus the 140 limit I guess.

Shit some months back I was having a piss and zipped my trousers up too quickly causing a painful bleeder of the shaft.

I reported this to the police but they told me to try ACC as the incident was not under their jurisdiction. I disagreed as the zip maker had obviously not provided a suitable warning label and as such could have been charged with potential manslaughter (ones shaft bleeds quite a lot....)


Jesus, Burt Munroe would turn in his grave at the state of NZ motorcycling. Imagine fatting your motorcycle along a beach ….. Sinful.

[AllanB]

Just to throw a spanner in the works .......

All those lovely twisty tight hill road around my area are now full of bloody cyclists and bloody cars. It's a dangerous risk to be fatting around them at a degree of speed nowadays.

I always though a once a year closed road affair would be awesome. Motorcycle only, suitable categories and levels of comfort/skill. Sign a waiver. Helicopters on hand (look there will be crashes as you cannot legislate against the foolish).

More dreaming on my behalf.

[slofox]

Would a lower loss of licence limit of say 125 on the open road slow you down?.

No........

[BlackSheepLogic]

I always though a once a year closed road affair would be awesome. Motorcycle only, suitable categories and levels of comfort/skill. Sign a waiver. Helicopters on hand (look there will be crashes as you cannot legislate against the foolish)

I would also like see cars banned from using roundabouts.

[AllanB]

I would also like see cars banned from using roundabouts.

I am not a fan of roundabouts - those double lane ones appear to confuse too many drivers into crossing 'lanes' half way around without out a care in the world.

[Scuba_Steve]

I am not a fan of roundabouts - those double lane ones appear to confuse too many drivers into crossing 'lanes' half way around without out a care in the world.

You should come use a couple of the Lower Hutt roundabouts, they put intersections on them... Da fuck is the point of the roundabout if you're just gonna go & put fucking giveways on them!!!

[FJRider]

Nope.

I was almost right ...

Driver licence suspension

From 16 January 2006, immediate 28-day licence suspension applies if you're caught travelling more than 40 km/h over the permanent posted speed limit, or more than 50 km/h over a posted temporary, holiday or variable speed limit.

[R650R]

Chill, you are taking a question way to personally.

Its not personal, I speed from time to time. But you cant go into risk compensation mode and justify to your self that major overspeed in one environment is safer than another as a general thought.
Its your call, just make sure your mother has money for flowers next time you go out for that 'safer' ride....

[BigAl]

Its not personal, I speed from time to time. But you cant go into risk compensation mode and justify to your self that major overspeed in one environment is safer than another as a general thought.
Its your call, just make sure your mother has money for flowers next time you go out for that 'safer' ride....

Geez man, if I was you I'd take the bus.

No risk there, or perhaps you could find some.

[Brett]

Just to throw a spanner in the works .......

All those lovely twisty tight hill road around my area are now full of bloody cyclists and bloody cars. It's a dangerous risk to be fatting around them at a degree of speed nowadays.

I always though a once a year closed road affair would be awesome. Motorcycle only, suitable categories and levels of comfort/skill. Sign a waiver. Helicopters on hand (look there will be crashes as you cannot legislate against the foolish).

More dreaming on my behalf.

Back in the more mental days, it was called "any given Saturday doing the Coro Loop". Man, had a lot of really insane, fast, exhilarating and fun rides. These were more akin to amateur road racing than "spirited riding". The level of "crazy" just went North of mental the more times it happened. Seen motorcycles thrown UP into trees, down banks and cliffs, across the road, into ditches and heaven knows what else. They were fun when you are young, dumb and full of bravado with very little responsibility. These days, I wouldn't want to trade places with that young person for anything. Not all of those boys I rode with are alive today directly as a result of their road riding attitudes. Others have bad injuries to live with. I am glad to have had the experience, and glad to have moved on. I now know what it is to have responsibilities and for people to rely on you. As a father, I take my role of fatherhood very seriously and want to be around to see my children grow up, God willing. I am an employer, providing income to around 30 families - at least half of which would struggle to find employment elsewhere, despite being good workers. I still enjoy a spirited ride or drive, and LOVE a fast track day, but if anything has slowed me down the most, it is the realisation of responsibility in life.

Still love the feel of a Superbike shaking it's head a little under heavy acceleration, tyre just skipping off the road...or going airborn altogether and the feel of a knee slider skimming the tarmac while the bike cuts a smooth line across the apex though! You can't change a speed freak, only tame him a little.

[R650R]

Geez man, if I was you I'd take the bus.

No risk there, or perhaps you could find some.

Oh I'm plenty stupid on the roads from time to time also....
My issue is originally he was banging on about people doing 90 in 50 zone and then trying to say 140k in 100 zone was somehow less risky than the former....
If your going to speed you have to accept its risky....

[Brett]

Oh I'm plenty stupid on the roads from time to time also....
My issue is originally he was banging on about people doing 90 in 50 zone and then trying to say 140k in 100 zone was somehow less risky than the former....
If your going to speed you have to accept its risky....

I would actually contend that 90 in a 50 IS more dangerous than 140 in a 100. Reasons are pretty simple. a 50kph is a built up area with more activity going on usually. Think of your average suburban road, lots of side roads for people to pull out from, pedestrian crossings for people to walk across etc. Also, people in a 50kph area are generally operating at a lower level of awareness than those who are around the open road where the speeds dictate a higher level of care and attention. Speeding IS risky. As your velocity increases from 0, the risk to self and others increases proportionally / according to the laws of physics. There is not really any sort of things as a "safe speed". Ever tried walking into a door frame? It fuckin hurts! You have potential to get pretty messed up at 50kph, 90kph, 100kph or 140kph.