Multi-bike registration: Submission to the government

[rocketman1]

I am considering a submission to parliament, to have government reconsider the way (rego) licencing fees to are applied to vehicles, mainly car and motorcycles.
It seems unfair to me that one can own several bikes and cars and to be able to drive them all on nz roads the need to be fully licensed.
I know that you can license vehicles for a mininum of 3 months, and put licences on hold but this does not allow to you use the vehicle whenever you want.
It is riduculous in this day and age with all the monitoring and "whatnot" available that the government can come up with a system that work on a user pays type arrangement.
I realise that the govt will not want to lessen the overall "take" in license fee incomes, for all ACC etc. That is not what I am on about.
For myself to register 4 motorcycles and 4 cars would cost around $3500 per year, all when I can only drive one at a time. Stupid!!
To set the record straight, these are not expensive vehicles, the whole lot would not add up to the price of an avreage new car.

I believe there should be a system where all cars and motorbikes are registered at a minimal fee say $30 per annum. for admin control , stats etc. On top of that there should be a system of registering the owner of these vehicles, at some $ cost, this should also include a third party insurance cost that is related to the way the owner drives, eg it will cost more if he/she has had accidents and infringement notices.
Those that have a poor driving record pay the price. .
To me this would seem alot fairer, the admin would not be anymore, its all done online, electronically these days anyway.
And would mean I could drive all my vehicles anytime. Great.
Do you think its worth a submission upstairs?

[Jantar]

Simple really. A small fee for the label and administration, the rest as a fuel surcharge. Fill up and pay. That way you only ever pay for the vehicle that you are using.

[FJRider]

... all when I can only drive one at a time. Stupid!!

But what if you wanted to allow your Wife/Girlfriend/son/daughter/friend to ride/drive one of those as you were riding/driving another .. ??

[Voltaire]

Good idea but I doubt they care about multiple vehicle owners.
My work around is 40 year old ones, 1975 is now $117.
For the Govt to take it seriously you would need maybe the AA to get behind it.....or the Dog and Lemon muttonchop idiot

[MarkH]

Do you think its worth a submission upstairs?

It couldn't hurt but it probably wont help either.

To me it does seem unfair that I have to pay an ACC levy on every vehicle, it would be much fairer to look at all vehicles and make the owner pay the highest ACC levy rather than all the ACC levies. If you have a car and a 250cc bike and a 750cc bike that would mean paying the ACC levy for the 750cc bike but not having to pay the car or smaller bike levy.
But I can't see the government being fair, they prefer to go with the simplest solution - to hell with being fair.

Both my bikes are over 600cc so currently I'm looking at around $1040 per year in rego with over $800 of that being for ACC levies. I'd love it to be much lower but to me it is worth the cost for the fun I get from riding bikes.

[James Deuce]

a. You've described a bureaucracy, which Governments love, except when they implement it it will cost at least 18 times what you propose.
b. Jantar keeps describing the perfect solution. So does every person who gets ejected from any lobby group claiming to represent motorcyclists.

[mossy1200]

Acc levy should be on your licence types and you should renew your licence yearly or less leaving out the licences you don't want to use but they stay on the system for when you want to refresh them (licence on hold).

Licence on hold more than 2 years and you need sit refresher safety course to renew it again.

[roogazza]

as a side note I got a letter from VTNZ saying I owed 500 bucks odd, for unpaid fees and penalty !!!!
Straight on the blower and gave date and time etc that I continued the on hold (did it on line).(was a cop for a long time,Time date and place and notebook entry paid off this time haha).
Be careful out there cos the bloke I spoke to went away and said I don't know what happened there ????????????????? Wiped the penalties and the bill. Bike has been on hold for two years.
He also put it on hold for a further 12 mths for me.
Just something to watch when doing the on line shit !!!

[rocketman1]

But what if you wanted to allow your Wife/Girlfriend/son/daughter/friend to ride/drive one of those as you were riding/driving another .. ??

Thats the point, you have registered the vehicle, ie you are the registered owner, but wifey etc have to pay an $ amount to drive / operate the vehicle on a nz road. For that fee they are paying for the registration, TP insurance, maybe there driving license fee etc etc.
It shifting the bias of costs from the vehicle to the owner.
Ie the AA dont care what car you drive, you pay to have the vehicle that your are driving fixed. not the vehicle. same logic should apply.
Maybe to hold a motorcycle license as well as a car licence would cost more than just a car. I am sure this can be sorted though.
Tourists just have to pay the proportion of the year they are driving , say minimal charge, And ACC fees to include for costs incurred for driving on the wrong side of the road etc.

[Racing Dave]

But I can't see the government being fair...

Not entirely true - some years ago when Nick Smith was the Minister for ACC, we had an exchange of emails on this very topic, and in his last one to me he stated that the ACC levy "must be fair to everyone".

From this, I take it that he means that no-one must pay more than their share. There are ways to make this happen.

[FJRider]

Not entirely true - some years ago when Nick Smith was the Minister for ACC, we had an exchange of emails on this very topic, and in his last one to me he stated that the ACC levy "must be fair to everyone".

From this, I take it that he means that no-one must pay more than their share. There are ways to make this happen.

If official policy is that the motorcyclists cost the system is more than a car drivers ... then official policy would then be motorcyclists pay their (fair .. ??) share ..

His idea of fair may differ from yours ...

[FJRider]

It shifting the bias of costs from the vehicle to the owner.

Perhaps .... costs should be shifted to the driver.

[Akzle]

get fucked. Basically. I had a stack of infringements. Never injured anyone.
And dont pay rego or cvl. So back to my first sentiment.

[Voltaire]

get fucked. Basically. I had a stack of infringements. Never injured anyone.
And dont pay rego or cvl. So back to my first sentiment.

Oh my Mr Axles, I'm sure your Mitsi is registered, your bike if you have one, probably not.

[FJRider]

get fucked. Basically. I had a stack of infringements. Never injured anyone.
And dont pay rego or cvl. So back to my first sentiment.

There is a consensus of opinion .... your next fuck should be from something with a bigger cock than yours .... (shouldn't be difficult in THAT regard)

Our only worry is ... you might enjoy it ...