Annual road toll up 44

[bogan]

Electricity can cook a mans dinner, and it can also cook the man.

I'm fairly positive, I sat on a battery terminal earlier

[unstuck]

I'm fairly positive, I sat on a battery terminal earlier

Tightarse.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm fairly positive, I sat on a battery terminal earlier

did you experience any negative outcomes?

[bogan]

did you experience any negative outcomes?

nah, that only happens when I massage my prostate with an ESD tester...

[Tazz]

nah, that only happens when I massage my prostate with an ESD tester...

I've seen that DVD!

[unstuck]

I've seen that DVD!

WTF, gay porn.

I thought you were a little too friendly.

[dangerous]

now... please forgive me if its been said but I aint reading thro 10 pages
Am i correct here or just as fucked up as the road toll... population has increased, those on the road this xmas (as I herd the xmas toll is double last years) is greater due to, also down this way I noticed a lot more on the road due to the earthquake thing being nearly sorted as far as famileys go.

IMHO how the fuck can the toll decrease when theres more traffic on the road... its not possable no mater what the coppers do or say, it will only ever increase or at the least stay the same, which is an improvment when you work out the population now traveling.

and FWIW... zero speed tolarance hasent afected me, I dont do 1kph over I do 15... so the zero shit aint going to sfect the likes of me.
also FWIW... I noticed a average of 90-95kph on the open rd... man it caused issues and anger again IMO causing more risk of a road toll, so many people are shit sceard they will get nicked for doing 3k over they sit 10k under... fuck wits

[PrincessBandit]

Bottom line - drive to the conditions with full concentration and situational awareness, without substances in your blood stream, and (dare I add, just for shits and giggles) not exceeding the speed limit.

Most New Zealand drivers are incapable of doing at least two of those things simultaneously so it's no wonder our road carnage is as bad as it is.


Sure, anyone can drive in excess of the speed limit and get to their destination perfectly in one piece but faster speeds cause greater damage when things go wrong and the vehicle probably gets thirstier. Lose lose.

[Berries]

...............and the vehicle probably gets thirstier.

If I gave a shit about fuel economy I wouldn't ride a motorbike.

If you "drive to the conditions with full concentration and situational awareness" then some arbitrary set speed limit shouldn't really come in to it. As pointed out within the story, the majority of crashes were within the speed limit so you are barking up the same old worn out tree.

[Tazz]

WTF, gay porn.

I thought you were a little too friendly.

Didn't you say variety is the spice of life?

Nah I found it in a history channel DVD cover (guess he thought no one would look there) along with a torch and stylish nut and corn scented bead necklace I gave to the neighbours kids.

Sorry to get your hopes up

[PrincessBandit]

If I gave a shit about fuel economy I wouldn't ride a motorbike.

If you "drive to the conditions with full concentration and situational awareness" then some arbitrary set speed limit shouldn't really come in to it. As pointed out within the story, the majority of crashes were within the speed limit so you are barking up the same old worn out tree.

Woof woof. Hey, I'll lift my leg and piss on that tree if I want. And as for arbitrary speed limits, as you put it, it's probably a safe guess that it wouldn't matter what speed restriction - or no limit on speed if you really want - we'd still have the same fucked up stats because of the other things I mentioned in my post.

Oh, and fuel economy isn't an automatic given for motorbikes although some (mine for example) do run more economically than a car

[swbarnett]

faster speeds cause greater damage when things go wrong

Impact speed only. An attentive driver is 100 times safer at the same or higher speed (that is good for the conditions) than a distracted one.

[R650R]

A motorbike will decelerate in a shorter time (no crumple zones), however the rider will most often decelerate over a period of up to 10 seconds, the majority of bike Vs. Car accidents, the rider goes over the car or glances down the side of the car.
Going by physics, shouldn't the energy dissipated by a rider be at least 20x less than a driver of a car suffers in a same speed crash?

If your lucky this happens... and if your even luckier you don't dismember/detach one of your limbs on said vehicle during process.
After that your going to hit the ground very soon and probably with some rotational energy guaranteed to smash bones.

Yes you see motogp riders get away with somemassive highsides which would be similar to your fairytale outcome but the road is a lot different.
Accidents are nasty business, its just pure risk compensation to try and say one mode is safer than another when there are so many variables. Even in a truck your not safe despite how it looks to an outsider...

[PrincessBandit]

Impact speed only. An attentive driver is 100 times safer at the same or higher speed (that is good for the conditions) than a distracted one.

Oh I agree, but impact is generally as a result of things going wrong... and impact is only one possible outcome of distraction. You can still suffer injury while surviving near misses (eg from seatbelt for example, banging your head against the side window while your mate struggles but eventually rights the car during a slide etc.)

[R650R]

Fuel prices definitely influence me. I was seriously looking at buying a Mitsubishi PHEV. But now I am considering a Falcon XR8.

Congratulations on having the courage to admit that, now we can work on correcting your condition.... actually the mitsi page was interesting after a google search, but still no mention of battery cost.
Covered by warranty if needed.... but what happens to the poor sap who buys the wagon three years later. bet like many oem parts they will be model specific and costly....
Seems counter intuitive you use the aircon to cool the battery down if it gets too hot....

Just went from 2.5L v6 to a 3.5L v6 by same engine maker, very little difference in fuel economy if driven properly