Annual road toll up 44

[FJRider]

Again go read yourself some legislation... They quite often DO blame the bar/bar tender, it's old legislation that allows for this

So ... the Speeding motorists and drunk drivers don't know the rules or legislation .. ???

Personal choice is great ... if you can pin the blame on somebody ELSE ...

[caspernz]

Show me WHERE .. and what cop says it is safe at legal (or less) speeds.

The cop catchline ... "the faster you go .. (etc) " does not say that ...


The size of the mess is up to you.

You should probably not try skydiving

[dangerous]

So ... the one at fault was a slow driver ... because another was impatient and did a dumb thing and caused (your words) a crash killing .. ??

Next you'll be blaming a bar tender for a drunk driver accident death.

FFS the slow driver wasnt at fault... they were just over reacting to the new threats by the cops, scear tactics you could almost say mental bullying... if it was not for the threats, then there would not have been an issue, shit man I was piss taking the prick I quoted

[Brian d marge]

ever get the feeling ya been sold a pup
I mean 1 ..4. . km over cameras . . .witches burning at the stake

all designed to scare sheep . . .

u hit a tree at 80 which is more than enough speed on a lot of nz roads ya fked

same tree 101 km ,just as fked

bad driving is caused by bad decisions
either by the objectification of others . . tis what happens when break down communities

or by lack of knowledge

most of nz bad driving comes from the first catagory . .the 2nd i reckon comes from people unused to nz driving conditions or of low experience

all of which aint nowt to do with speed

but tv says speed kills so it must be true . . . .

[FJRider]

FFS the slow driver wasnt at fault... they were just over reacting to the new threats by the cops, scear tactics you could almost say mental bullying... if it was not for the threats, then there would not have been an issue, shit man I was piss taking the prick I quoted

The overreaction that did the harm ... was by the impatient driver. Not the one who was within the law.

[swbarnett]

Allowing everyone to find their own optimal speed is to assume that everyone is in fact as capable as they think they are!

And yet evidence from places where the speed limits were raised show that the road toll drops. It's not about how good people think they are. It's about the psychology. The fact that the brain is necessarily more engaged at a higher speed i.e a driver's optimal speed.

The drivers who crash and kill and maim are clear testament to the fallacy of that.

A more engaged driver is a safer driver. No matter how good they are to start with. Even the "numptys" that "crash and kill and maim".

I suppose you would then happily accept being stuck behind an open road driver doing 40km/h.

I get that several times a week - and it's more like 10kph. It's called living rural. Oh, and I'm not stuck for long.

[swbarnett]

Simple people are not aware of this

To be honest I highly doubt that. It comes with being human. If anyone is not aware of this then I want to see the plastic bubble they grew up in.

How many attempts (ie:number of crashes) are allowed to find this "Optimal" speed ...

To my mind 1. Cause a crash, get the book thrown at you.

and increasing arbitrary speeds will enhance the occurrence as well ...

This has been proven wrong time and again where speed limits have been raised.

[Brian d marge]

To be honest I highly doubt that. It comes with being human. If anyone is not aware of this then I want to see the plastic bubble they grew up in.


To my mind 1. Cause a crash, get the book thrown at you.


This has been proven wrong time and again where speed limits have been raised.

south auckland . . .waimate. . .Blenheim,

[swbarnett]

south auckland . . .waimate. . .Blenheim,

To which part of my post were you referring?

[Brian d marge]

the plastic bubble they grew up in

[dangerous]

The overreaction that did the harm ... was by the impatient driver. Not the one who was within the law.

"sigh" and if the law was not imposed as such a bullying threat the 'one who was withen the law' would not have sat 10k less than the posted limit and the impatient would not have become impatient


did you actually ride or drive anywere over the xmas break?

[Scubbo]

I hear there is a group being formed to make ABS brakes compulsory on motorcycles in NZ, my sister in law went for a job with this group, she was telling me I needed abs brakes on my bike... so there is a group out there who don't ride, who only look at numbers and are only looking at saving ACC money whilst they line their own pockets --- gotta love nz, my already low respect for the girl has hit rock bottom... good thing she's fecking off to europe in a month.

[Madness]

I hear there is a group being formed to make ABS brakes compulsory on motorcycles in NZ, my sister in law went for a job with this group, she was telling me I needed abs brakes on my bike... so there is a group out there who don't ride, who only look at numbers and are only looking at saving ACC money whilst they line their own pockets --- gotta love nz, my already low respect for the girl has hit rock bottom... good thing she's fecking off to europe in a month.

It seems there's no end to the groups, protests and petitions around motorcycling these days.

Fuck 'em all I say. Motorcycles, just ride the cunts.

[avgas]

I hear there is a group being formed to make ABS brakes compulsory on motorcycles in NZ, my sister in law went for a job with this group, she was telling me I needed abs brakes on my bike... so there is a group out there who don't ride, who only look at numbers and are only looking at saving ACC money whilst they line their own pockets --- gotta love nz, my already low respect for the girl has hit rock bottom... good thing she's fecking off to europe in a month.

I am so happy they are changing the name and motto of the organization.

BMW Riders Club wasn't working for them.

[dangerous]

I hear there is a group being formed to make ABS brakes compulsory on motorcycles in NZ.

Ohhh fuck off... whats next then compulsory anti wheelie, wheel spin, hell I rode a bike with all the above the other day V4 Prilla... didnt like it, felt well out of control of the bike as in in controled me.