On line petition against zero tolerence crap

[swbarnett]

Just because you can start a petition ... doesn't make it right ...

Indeed. Is there really such a thing as right and wrong? In the end it's only opinion and the laws of physics.

Any petition ... OR referendum .. won't guarantee any actual action/change. The Government of the day will decide that.

Only because ours aren't legally binding. In Switzerland we got about four referenda a month in the post and the results were all legally binding on the Government. But then, they understand who they work for..

[swbarnett]

More likely the gullibility of petition signers....

And that goes to show that the police don't know the public that they're supposed to serve.

[FJRider]

Indeed. Is there really such a thing as right and wrong? In the end it's only opinion and the laws of physics.

Right/wrong. Translation .. legally/politically. The laws of gravity have ALWAYS given me the most bother ...

Only because ours aren't legally binding. In Switzerland we got about four referenda a month in the post and the results were all legally binding on the Government. But then, they understand who they work for..

This is New Zealand ... WE work for THEM. (remember .. ???)

[bsasuper]

11,000 retards who all think they will get a speeding ticket for travelling at 1kph over the speed limit...

You might want to tell that to the popo up north who think they are GOD.

[scumdog]

And that goes to show that the police don't know the public that they're supposed to serve.

Fuck off, we're the public too you know.

"The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

Rober Peel circa 1808.

[FJRider]

More likely the gullibility of petition signers....

The names of those that signed the petition ... have been/ARE recorded ... for future ... ummm ... reference ...

[bogan]

Fuck off, we're the public too you know.

"The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

Rober Peel circa 1808.

Wonder what he would have thought about their time being spent on the demonstrably useless lowering of tolerances though?

[FJRider]

Wonder what he would have thought about their time being spent on the demonstrably useless lowering of tolerances though?

I doubt if he would care WHAT you thought of it.

If you travel at over the posted speed limit ... you are likely to be caught. The "Powers that be" have never said WILL be caught ....

Increased Police numbers would ensure it though ...

[bogan]

I doubt if he would care WHAT you thought of it.

If you travel at over the posted speed limit ... you are likely to be caught. The "Powers that be" have never said WILL be caught ....

Increased Police numbers would ensure it though ...

Have another read of that old fella I suggested he might not agree with it, nothin more, nothing less...

[Berries]

All set go at your mums place right now, I suggest she moves out before the bang!

I said the very same thing about 13 years ago.

[RDJ]

Fuck off, we're the public too you know.

"The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

Rober Peel circa 1808.

If you are going to quote Robert Peel, be a little less selective.

He also had this to say: In the British model of policing, police officers are regarded as citizens in uniform. They exercise their powers to police their fellow citizens with the implicit consent of those fellow citizens. "Policing by consent" indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.

[FJRider]

Have another read of that old fella I suggested he might not agree with it, nothin more, nothing less...

The law is the law ... with that he would agree ...

[mossy1200]

The law is the law ... with that he would agree ...

One person or a select few telling everyone else what to do isn't a law its a dictatorship. Nobody asked the population to vote about what they thought about zero tolerance.

[swbarnett]

This is New Zealand ... WE work for THEM. (remember .. ???)

Therein lies the problem. The politicians believe this and the populace have given up on any hope of it being otherwise.

[scumdog]

If you are going to quote Robert Peel, be a little less selective.

He also had this to say: In the British model of policing, police officers are regarded as citizens in uniform. They exercise their powers to police their fellow citizens with the implicit consent of those fellow citizens. "Policing by consent" indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.

'General consensus' also put those that call the shots (about how police should function) into power.