On line petition against zero tolerence crap

**swbarnett** · 11th January 2015, 18:31

Originally Posted by scumdog

Fuck off, we're the public too you know.

Where in that statement did I exclude you from the public? It's a matter of hats when it comes to sworn personnel.

There is at least the appearance of an us and them mentality between the police and the rest of the public.

Originally Posted by scumdog

"The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

Rober Peel circa 1808.

And yet if a non-sworn member of the public tries to defend themselves or their property they raked over the coals.

This is a great ideal but I think we are a long way from that now.

**swbarnett** · 11th January 2015, 18:35

Originally Posted by scumdog

'General consensus' also put those that call the shots (about how police should function) into power.

Wrong. Our political system is based on majority rule, not consensus.

**bogan** · 11th January 2015, 18:50

Originally Posted by FJRider

The law is the law ... with that he would agree ...

Yeh, he wasn't the sort to go for changes on that subject either was he.

Oh hang on...

**FJRider** · 11th January 2015, 18:55

Originally Posted by mossy1200

One person or a select few telling everyone else what to do isn't a law its a dictatorship. Nobody asked the population to vote about what they thought about zero tolerance.

No votes are required to enforce existing legislation ...

**jasonu** · 11th January 2015, 18:55

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Wrong. Our political system is based on majority rule, not consensus.

I thought the NZ system was MMP not first past the post or majority rule.

**scumdog** · 11th January 2015, 18:55

Originally Posted by swbarnett

There is at least the appearance of an us and them mentality between the police and the rest of the public.

You said a mouthfull there brother - just look at this thread and other similar ones on KB that bang on about cops this and cops that.

Maybe cops should be on here saying KB this and KB that to balance the books?

**FJRider** · 11th January 2015, 18:59

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Wrong. Our political system is based on majority rule, not consensus.

Police are not political ... they just enforce legislation as it is written.

**mossy1200** · 11th January 2015, 19:02

Originally Posted by FJRider

No votes are required to enforce existing legislation ...

The existing tolerance worked fine for me. I never requested they should come down harder on me.

**FJRider** · 11th January 2015, 19:04

Originally Posted by jasonu

I thought the NZ system was MMP not first past the post or majority rule.

Majority of Government can change legislation. Not the political system.

**mossy1200** · 11th January 2015, 19:05

Originally Posted by scumdog

You said a mouthfull there brother - just look at this thread and other similar ones on KB that bang on about cops this and cops that.

Maybe cops should be on here saying KB this and KB that to balance the books?

We haven't started putting our ugly mugs on billboards yet though.
We draw the line at doing secrete KB waves with our rsi keyboard warrior twisted wrist action.

**FJRider** · 11th January 2015, 19:10

Originally Posted by mossy1200

The existing tolerance worked fine for me. I never requested they should come down harder on me.

Police POLICY changes ... requires NO change of legislation. Nor public agreement.

Get over it.

**RDJ** · 11th January 2015, 19:12

Originally Posted by scumdog

You said a mouthfull there brother - just look at this thread and other similar ones on KB that bang on about cops this and cops that.

Maybe cops should be on here saying KB this and KB that to balance the books?

I think the police like yourself that frequent this forum make it quite clear what you think about the public you are paid to serve. If more balance is needed it should start with people like yourself looking into the mirror more often, and with more insight.

**scumdog** · 11th January 2015, 19:16

Originally Posted by RDJ

I think the police like yourself that frequent this forum make it quite clear what you think about the public you are paid to serve. If more balance is needed it should start with people like yourself looking into the mirror more often, and with more insight.

No, you THINK you know what I think about the public I am 'paid to serve'.
But you don't know at all.

But if you're an representative of that public I would be quite justified in feeling less than positive about the public.

Luckily you're not such a representative.

Oh and feel free to chuck in the names of those other police like me on this forum, you imply there are quite a few....

**swbarnett** · 11th January 2015, 19:19

Originally Posted by jasonu

I thought the NZ system was MMP not first past the post or majority rule.

I thought someone would say that. MMP is not as bad as FPP when it comes to majority rule but it is still a far cry from a consensus - in the election and within government.