On line petition against zero tolerence crap

[swbarnett]

Police are not political ... they just enforce legislation as it is written.

My answer was in reference to the statement below. It's about those that tell the police what to do, not the police themselves.

'General consensus' also put those that call the shots (about how police should function) into power.

[Scuba_Steve]

'General consensus' also put those that call the shots (about how police should function) into power.

No it didn't... even you know that!

You said a mouthfull there brother - just look at this thread and other similar ones on KB that bang on about cops this and cops that.

Maybe cops should be on here saying KB this and KB that to balance the books?

You gotta remember it was the cops that have created this separation NOT the general public, only have your gang & it's leaders to blame for that

[scumdog]

No it didn't... even you know that!




You gotta remember it was the cops that have created this separation NOT the general public, only have your gang & it's leaders to blame for that

All I can say is that I'm thankful that most of the 'general public' that post on threads such as these live on another island....

[FJRider]

My answer was in reference to the statement below. It's about those that tell the police what to do, not the police themselves.

I repeat ... Police enforce LEGISLATION ... as it is written.

They seek to prevent (reduce .. ?? ) crime and crashes, improve public safety, detect and bring offenders to account, and maintain law and order.

Further instruction is NOT required. (nor appreciated)

[bogan]

I repeat ... Police enforce LEGISLATION ... as it is written.

They seek to prevent (reduce .. ?? ) crime and crashes, improve public safety, detect and bring offenders to account, and maintain law and order.

And what happens when the first bit conflicts with the second? They go online to say otherwise, cos if they say it enough it might become true?

[Scuba_Steve]

I repeat ... Police enforce LEGISLATION ... as it is written.

They seek to prevent (reduce .. ?? ) crime and crashes, improve public safety, detect and bring offenders to account, and maintain law and order.

Further instruction is NOT required. (nor appreciated)

No they don't! go read some legislation & stop being ignorant; they constantly breach legislation in the pursuit of $$$ for corrupt officials & their mates

or if it helps you to read

No they don't! ... go read some legislation ... & stop being ignorant;

they constantly breach legislation ... in the pursuit of $$$ for corrupt officials ... & their mates

[FJRider]

And what happens when the first bit conflicts with the second? They go online to say otherwise, cos if they say it enough it might become true?

The conflict starts when some know it all MP ... stands up in question time and demands that Police do as he/she see's fit ... Police discretion then comes into play ...

[bogan]

The conflict starts when some know it all MP ... stands up in question time and demands that Police do as he/she see's fit ... Police discretion then comes into play ...

Have another read (again), that is not what I was asking.

[gjm]

Oh, come on.

The law says that the speed limit on a given piece of road is whatever it is. Let's use the example of a nice piece of highway, with a posted limit of 100km/h.

This is not a negotiable number. The fact that the police have offered a tolerance of up to 10km/h is of potential benefit to the motoring public. However, it does not mean that anything over 100km/h but less than 110km/h is legal. It just means that if they see you travelling at those speeds, they may choose to let you get away with it. As I understand the law, they are still within their rights to pull you up and ticket you for travelling at any speed in excess of the speed limit.

Of course, you can contest this. How would it go? "But your honour, I was travelling at 104km/h which is well within the tolerance the police say they operate." "Yes, I understand the defendants position, but at 104km/h you were in breach of the law [probably quote statute number whatever here] and as such you have wasted my time, police time, and your own time. Your fine is doubled and you will now pay court costs."

Exceed the posted limit, and you could be stopped and fined. It really is that simple.

Bloody annoying and I don't like it any more than anyone else, but simple. Live with it.

Whether police time could be better spent doing something else, like pulling the fuckwit travelling eratically between Pokeno and Drury at 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105+, and back down the scale, mostly entirely in the right hand lane of SH1 but sometimes with two wheels either side of the dotted centre line and sometimes with two wheels over the right hand side solid line, while evidently fiddling with something on the passenger seat, is another matter. We passed two 'road safety' camera vans in that distance, but neither will have any interest in this.

[bogan]

Oh, come on.

The law says that the speed limit on a given piece of road is whatever it is. Let's use the example of a nice piece of highway, with a posted limit of 100km/h..

Another good point, how can they bin safe speeds into 20kmr slots, but adherence to those an order of magnitude more precise to be considered safe? Defies all logic really.

[SPman]

Police are not political ... they just enforce legislation as it is written.

[PrincessBandit]

Oh, come on.

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Exceed the posted limit, and you could be stopped and fined. It really is that simple.

Bloody annoying and I don't like it any more than anyone else, but simple. Live with it.

Ah, but reading through this thread so far (and others of similar ilk), the majority are still going to ask "why?" Some people never grow out of asking that oft repeated childhood question, regardless of how many varied explanations they get for their troubles.

[gjm]

Another good point, how can they bin safe speeds into 20kmr slots, but adherence to those an order of magnitude more precise to be considered safe? Defies all logic really.

Agreed. It's all a bit arbitrary. There may be a criteria used for assigning speed limits to roads - I don't know.

Doesn't matter. That's a whole other conversation and discussion. Makes no difference to exceeding the posted limit and being fined, even if you could demonstrate beyond any doubt that what you were doing was perfectly safe.

[bogan]

Doesn't matter. That's a whole other conversation and discussion. Makes no difference to exceeding the posted limit and being fined, even if you could demonstrate beyond any doubt that what you were doing was perfectly safe.

Actually that is this discussion; a petition against such an illogical tolerance is one for change. The point of 'but that's the law' is the whole other conversation and discussion, so if you could kindly fuck off; take fj with you too, that'd be great.

[gjm]

Exceed the (arbitrarily assigned) posted speed limit: get a fine.

Perhaps the police will see the petition, and decide to withdraw any sort of tolerance just to make it easier for everyone. So much easier.