Police erode public faith article

[Murray]

Just came across this interesting article

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...tolerance-zeal

pretty much sums it up and been said before!

What surprises me most is that it was released 05.00 09/01/15 and 419 comments posted already and reading some (there's too many to read them all) it's mostly one way traffic.

Bigger discontent than I expected through a one-off news article.

[Scuba_Steve]

And this erosion is just getting worse by the year

[Murray]

The response to that article certainly goes against this article

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...in-bad-drivers

Which includes:

The number of public reports or complaints to police reinforced a finding from a survey last year - the Public Attitudes to Road Safety survey - conducted by the Ministry of Transport, he said.

The study found 93 per cent of New Zealanders wanted the level of road policing either increased (40 per cent) or maintained at the present level (53 per cent).

The same survey showed 81 per cent of those surveyed agreed that speed enforcement helped lower the road toll.

Surveys & stats - all damn lies

[haydes55]

The response to that article certainly goes against this article

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...in-bad-drivers

Which includes:

The number of public reports or complaints to police reinforced a finding from a survey last year - the Public Attitudes to Road Safety survey - conducted by the Ministry of Transport, he said.

The study found 93 per cent of New Zealanders wanted the level of road policing either increased (40 per cent) or maintained at the present level (53 per cent).

The same survey showed 81 per cent of those surveyed agreed that speed enforcement helped lower the road toll.

Surveys & stats - all damn lies

Everyone is bombarded with bullshit advertising, saying again and again that the faster you go, the bigger the mess...... Years worth of this very one sided advertising... Then they ask the public if speed kills? Of course average Joe will say speeding kills people, they were told so as "fact".

About as stupid as advertising Ducatis on TV with a slogan about them being the fastest bike around, then asking people what motorbikes are fastest...

You can't survey a question that you advertise an answer to.

[bluninja]

The response to that article certainly goes against this article

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...in-bad-drivers

Which includes:

The number of public reports or complaints to police reinforced a finding from a survey last year - the Public Attitudes to Road Safety survey - conducted by the Ministry of Transport, he said.

The study found 93 per cent of New Zealanders wanted the level of road policing either increased (40 per cent) or maintained at the present level (53 per cent).

The same survey showed 81 per cent of those surveyed agreed that speed enforcement helped lower the road toll.

Surveys & stats - all damn lies

It would be interesting what change (if any) there would be if the same survey was done, after the publicity that after zero tolerance on speed by police 17 road deaths occurred in the holiday period.

It's also interesting how the place several things together to imply linkage without any proof. They have had more calls to *555 than before 12706, of which 8715 were traffic related. The police refer to callers dobbing in "bad motorists"; had there been an increase in the numbers of people calling specifically about speeding motorists I'm certain that would have been highlighted. Then follows a survey (some time last years) that says people want more (or same) levels of road policing and focus on speeding helped. It's a bit hard to believe the results of a survey carried out by part of the mechanism that put the speeding policies in place.

Interesting at the end that PROVISIONAL crash reports indicate that 15 of the deaths had alcohol and/or speed as CONTRIBUTING factors. Surely it would be prudent to complete the crash reports before giving out possibly flawed data. Clearly they are not saying those factors caused the crash, just contributed....how much? we don't know....could be just 1%, could be more.

[Akzle]

jews did it.

[BlackSheepLogic]

The study found 93 per cent of New Zealanders wanted the level of road policing either increased (40 per cent) or maintained at the present level (53 per cent). The same survey showed 81 per cent of those surveyed agreed that speed enforcement helped lower the road toll.

Unfortunately people with very polarized strong views (righteous for example) tend to fill out surveys which the rest of us chose to ignore. This leads to a bias on the survey.

[Flip]

IMHO the Rozza are scum, they spend all day dealing with scumbags and they are little better than the people they asscoiate with.

When I was a lot younger my vehicle and I was searched illegally on the side of the road by a scum bag. Since then my general opinion of the rozza has been as lying scum bags. One of my good friends was a DI "scrote and asshole" even he was ubnable to change my opinion.

I won't talk to or help the Rozza in any way. I would help to prevent a crime from being comitted but would never help the Rozza with an investigation.

[Mike.Gayner]

I agree with you Flip. No one should ever talk to the police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[mada]

I agree quite a bit with the article. The major killer and cause of accidents on our roads is inattentive driving or drivers who do not drive to the required conditions.

But unlike speed and drink these are much harder to target and more time consuming for Police.

With lowering fuel prices, I expect to see an actual increase in accident rates as more people decide to drive on more occasions than before when they may have considered the higher price of fuel.

The last video I saw by Police regarding speed was pathetic. It starred an ex-Netball player who was talking about a guy who had driven 60km/h in a 50km/h zone and hit a kid who was on a bicycle and pulled out from behind a parked truck. An unfortunate incident, but it would've happened regardless of the speed!!!

She basically stated on the video "if he had spent more time looking at his speedo the kid might not have been hurt so much" - yeh nah, it would have actually been safer if the driver was going faster than 60km/h as he may have got past the location quicker! Even at 50km/h he still would have hit the kid. If he was staring at his speedo, like suggested then his chances of doing damage would be even higher - because his attention is not on the road - resulting in no braking at all.

[TheDemonLord]

as a theory about the Survey results:

if I asked everyone here:

Would you like Police to pay more attention to bad driving?


the result would almost be overwhelmingly positive

there are 2 factors I would theorise for this:

1: the person answering the survey believes them to not be in the group they feel the police should be looking at (everyone's an above average driver)
2: I didn't mention speed.

I will be interested in the results once the dust settles and in particularly when the next public holiday comes along what happens.

[bluninja]

The last video I saw by Police regarding speed was pathetic. It starred an ex-Netball player who was talking about a guy who had driven 60km/h in a 50km/h zone and hit a kid who was on a bicycle and pulled out from behind a parked truck. An unfortunate incident, but it would've happened regardless of the speed!!!

She basically stated on the video "if he had spent more time looking at his speedo the kid might not have been hurt so much" - yeh nah, it would have actually been safer if the driver was going faster than 60km/h as he may have got past the location quicker! Even at 50km/h he still would have hit the kid. If he was staring at his speedo, like suggested then his chances of doing damage would be even higher - because his attention is not on the road - resulting in no braking at all.

There are places where speed limits need to be lower....such as around schools or shopping precincts. It is not about the drivers ability to avoid the accident, it is about the survivability of an accident at the speed limit. Small kids don't think , have limited spatial awareness and can't be seen when standing between cars. Low speed limits around schools, playgrounds and shops should be there so the kids, that run out between parked cars onto the bumper of a car, have a chance of surviving.

Clearly that distinction was lost on the ex netball player and the organisation making the video.

[swbarnett]

as a theory about the Survey results:
...

If you want to know the truth about surveys take a look at what Humphrey Appleby had to say about them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

[swbarnett]

There are places where speed limits need to be lower....such as around schools or shopping precincts. It is not about the drivers ability to avoid the accident, it is about the survivability of an accident at the speed limit. Small kids don't think , have limited spatial awareness and can't be seen when standing between cars. Low speed limits around schools, playgrounds and shops should be there so the kids, that run out between parked cars onto the bumper of a car, have a chance of surviving.

Clearly that distinction was lost on the ex netball player and the organisation making the video.

That's like saying "lets make all the knives blunt so we don't cut anyone". It's not about speed - even around schools. There's a primary school near where I live that is on a 70kph road. I've been through there a number of times just after school got out and all the kids, without exception, are either keeping well off the road or being picked up by parents on the school grounds. If that one's perfectly safe at 70 then why the are others so dangerous at 50?

[scumdog]

I would help to prevent a crime from being comitted but would never help the Rozza with an investigation.

Then the one you disadvantage ain't the cop - it's the victim.

Or do you intend to only 'never help' if the investigation doesn't relate to a victim??