MAG NZ Taking Action

[Luckylegs]

ditto I think

Really? OK... I guess?

Im assumimg you meant I thought I was also being a dick as opposed to you agreeing with me.................

[Fatt Max]

I read what Mad Duck said and thought it a reasonable and informative post - They usually are! All you had to offer on the other hand was a dig at people who dont share your views.

No I was agreeing that people will slag off what MAG are trying to do without offering any kind of alternative point of view and agreeing that there will always be those with a negative outlook, just like everything in life.
I support MAG, always have. I respect opinions, always have. I don't respect abuse aimed at anyone for the sake of it.
Feel free to counter this post with a retort of your own, I will take no offence but please see that I am looking at this from one side of the room and respect all opinions.
Is that ok with you?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Luckylegs]

No I was agreeing that people will slag off what MAG are trying to do without offering any kind of alternative point of view and agreeing that there will always be those with a negative outlook, just like everything in life.
I support MAG, always have. I respect opinions, always have. I don't respect abuse aimed at anyone for the sake of it.
Feel free to counter this post with a retort of your own, I will take no offence but please see that I am looking at this from one side of the room and respect all opinions.
Is that ok with you?

Best we just talk about Mag eh?

[Fatt Max]

Best we just talk about Mag eh?

All good with me mate

[Madness]

so why do people get soooooo worked up about it

It's a pom thing, apparently.

A number of pro-MAG posters in this thread have stated quite clearly their belief that if you don't support MAG you should shut the fuck up. I disagree strongly with this sentiment (in case that is not clear). Woop-de-fucking-doo. It's a thread on KB and I'll post what the fuck I like, not what you like. This isn't Facebook, grow a fucking pair.

I think it's sad that people, in particular Fatt Max, go on about welcoming open discussion and alternative points of view yet cannot seem to accept the alternative point of view that the perceived "issue" is not significant enough to warrant protest in the first place. If people go back to the first page of this thread and read the thread in its (now much shorter, thanks Grem - love your work buddy) entirety, it's very clear that there are a number of posters that seem to share that point of view and one can only assume that at least some, if not all of these people are rego-paying motorcyclists, not just random muppets from Devonport or Ponsonby who maybe think motorcycles should be banned already.

I disagree with the park-up "strategy" and I don't appear to be alone on that either (quelle suprise). It's frustrating that some pro-MAG posters fail to understand that disagreeing with the park-up "strategy" does not automatically demand that an alternative form of protest "action" be put forward in lieu by the person disagreeing. See above. It's disappointing that the best MAG can come up with is a "strategy" of annoyance that not only inconveniences other innocent parties, but also requires a degree of "luck" and/or "chance" before having any actual effect. It's a stupid strategy but it's pleasing to see that this thread may have put some fresh ideas in front of the masterminds at MAG, if nothing else (other than to out Max as a giant (no pun intended) raving homosexual).

For those posters who might be seen to be claiming the idea of parking outside Nikki Kaye's office, please step aside as I believe nzspokes mentioned that first (OMFG,IKR,LOL). Hats off to spokes for that one, my nominee for thread winner outright

It's been suggested by several people that if I don't like what MAG are doing, then I should join them and try and influence them from within. What a load of hose shit. If I disagree with ISIL, the Catholic Church or the National Party, should I also join those organisations to try and influence them and change their direction? Fucking dreamers.

Mad Duck, I'm sorry I called you a cunt. If nothing else, I hope maybe it prepares you for when the grumpy old jew from Ponsonby says it to your face when he can't park his Volvo outside the wine shop because yous fullas are having an "action".

I don't think it's my use of the word cunt that's drawn so much response (hi Murray, I know you're reading this ) or that I used it in addressing a woman. I think instead that the response I seem to have received from my use of the word cunt, including an unsolicited relentless campaign of childish homosexual harassment via PMs, is because I used it in addressing MAG - hero of the biker and the "I'll support them no matter what" ideology deems this to be blasphemous. Sorry, but that's a load of utter, utter bullshit.

Good luck to MAG, you'll need it if you're ever going to make it from Sideswipe to the actual news pages and hopefully not to the winding up notices in the process. You might want to consider keeping a certain English MAGNZ member away from the media, he might inadvertently come across a lesbian reporter and I'm sure that would end badly.

[GrayWolf]

It's a pom thing, apparently.
the topic is MAG, not pom's, another pointless sentence

A number of pro-MAG posters in this thread have stated quite clearly their belief that if you don't support MAG you should shut the fuck up. I disagree strongly with this sentiment (in case that is not clear)........ I think it's sad that people, in particular Fatt Max, go on about welcoming open discussion and alternative points of view yet cannot seem to accept the alternative point of view that the perceived "issue" is not significant enough to warrant protest in the first place. If people go back to the first page of this thread and read the thread in its entirety, it's very clear that there are a number of posters that seem to share that point of view and one can only assume that at least some, if not all of these people are rego-paying motorcyclists, not just random muppets from Devonport or Ponsonby who maybe think motorcycles should be banned already.
I cant see anyone form ponsonby or devonport saying bikes should be 'banned already' in the thread. There is discussion and simple negative gainsaying for the sake of being arbitrary. You dont have to come up with a solution, but if you want to be taken seriously, which I in all honestly doubt, an alternative is often a good point to have. Even if it is not viable, it at least shows you have given consideration to the subject, rather than just insist on 'shooting everyone down in flames'. I also pay my rego, although I have no 'issue' with paying rego, I do think we are both overcharged and the $30 levy is being wasted, (and likely eventually will be sucked into the general fund in the future). Just performing negative gainsaying is not discussion, I am sure Max etc would welcome just that from you.

I disagree with the park-up "strategy" and I don't appear to be alone on that either (quelle suprise). It's frustrating that some pro-MAG posters fail to understand that disagreeing with the park-up "strategy" does not automatically demand that an alternative form of protest "action" be put forward in lieu by the person disagreeing. See above. It's disappointing that the best MAG can come up with is a "strategy" of annoyance that not only inconveniences other innocent parties, but also requires a degree of "luck" and/or "chance" before having any actual effect. It's a stupid strategy but it's pleasing to see that this thread may have put some fresh ideas in front of the masterminds at MAG, if nothing else (other than to out Max as a giant (no pun intended) raving homosexual).
I also think the 'park up' is not going to be a highly effective strategy, unless it could be rolled out nationwide, which is doubtful. I went to both protests outside Parliment, the second one we knew was not going to be effective, and we all know in reality the first one was anticipated and planned for in the projected ACC/Rego levy proposed. MAG UK was and has been effective historically, but it needs numbers. For me, I see a lot of 'summer weekend warriors' on bikes, and no, like you, they wont give a flying fuck, because the bike is a toy to them. Full time motorcyclists are a very small number, in an already minority group.

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It's been suggested by several people that if I don't like what MAG are doing, then I should join them and try and influence them from within. What a load of hose shit. If I disagree with ISIL, the Catholic Church or the National Party, should I also join those organisations to try and influence them and change their direction? Fucking dreamers.
not at all, but as is done on a global scale, support is given active or passive. Yes you of course have a right to bag, demean and decry others. However at least two of those groups you mentioned would remove that right. I bet you'd get off your arse if they really threatened your way of life? So no, dont join MAG, just because, but whether you like it, or not, they are 'fighting' on your behalf on things that do and will effect you personally

Mad Duck, I'm sorry I called you a cunt. If nothing else, ........ grumpy old jew .....I don't think it's my use of the word cunt that's drawn so much response (hi Murray, I know you're reading this ) or that I used it in addressing a woman............including an unsolicited relentless campaign of childish homosexual harassment via PMs,.

the last bit I will reply to here...
you apologise to MD, and complain that you have been harassed with 'homosexual attacks' in PM, yet in this 'abridged' post, you call max a homosexual, refer to a 'grumpy old jew' instead of grumpy old man. Does the fact he may, or may not be jewish have any relevance to the topic (MAG)?
Not one iota!
Also just to remind you Mr hypocrite, almost every red rep you give me, has the words, gay, old cunt, faggot etc in them. So stop whining like the bitch you are. I think you reap what you sew, then cry about it.

[Fatt Max]

It's a pom thing, apparently.

Is it...?....must give my mum am ring and find out

A number of pro-MAG posters in this thread have stated quite clearly their belief that if you don't support MAG you should shut the fcuk up. I disagree strongly with this sentiment (in case that is not clear). Woop-de-fukuing-doo. It's a thread on KB and I'll post what the fcuk I like, not what you like. This isn't Facebook, grow a fcuking pair.

I think its more the case of if you don’t support it then at least try and be either constructive or dismissive, but not abusive. Check out your post on this thread at 23:4 on 25th January 2015. I do agree with your right to post on KB as free speech and healthy debate is a good thing. For that I commend you.

I think it's sad that people, in particular Fatt Max, go on about welcoming open discussion and alternative points of view yet cannot seem to accept the alternative point of view that the perceived "issue" is not significant enough to warrant protest in the first place. If people go back to the first page of this thread and read the thread in its (now much shorter, thanks Grem - love your work buddy) entirety, it's very clear that there are a number of posters that seem to share that point of view and one can only assume that at least some, if not all of these people are rego-paying motorcyclists, not just random muppets from Devonport or Ponsonby who maybe think motorcycles should be banned already.

I know there are two and maybe even three sides to this debate and welcome them. But if mismanagement of funds paid for by those, like you and me, who pay their rego’s, then thats your business. Bur carte blanche abuse of those trying to do something which at the very least will save us some hard earned dough if successful i snot a bad thing I would consider.

I disagree with the park-up "strategy" and I don't appear to be alone on that either (quelle suprise). It's frustrating that some pro-MAG posters fail to understand that disagreeing with the park-up "strategy" does not automatically demand that an alternative form of protest "action" be put forward in lieu by the person disagreeing. See above. It's disappointing that the best MAG can come up with is a "strategy" of annoyance that not only inconveniences other innocent parties, but also requires a degree of "luck" and/or "chance" before having any actual effect.

Yes I agree that so far the park ups have not changed the world on this issue, but its a start, and MAG have been very open with their direction that plans are in place and all will be revealed in due course. I look forward to what that will be.

If it was your protest and your action and someone dismissed it completely and abusively, would you not want to know what their better ideas would be? Yes you are more than entitled to your opinion and everyone else is more than entitled to challenge it.

It's a stupid strategy but it's pleasing to see that this thread may have put some fresh ideas in front of the masterminds at MAG,

And I am sure they welcome all comments made on here regarding their actions

if nothing else (other than to out Max as a giant (no pun intended) raving homosexual).

Oh my darling, people have known that for years xxx
For those posters who might be seen to be claiming the idea of parking outside Nikki Kaye's office, please step aside as I believe nzspokes mentioned that first (OMFG,IKR,LOL). Hats off to spokes for that one, my nominee for thread winner outright

Yes and I agree, a great idea supplemented by Voltaire who suggested inviting her for a coffee across the road at Motomail to discuss the issue. That I felt was a top idea.

It's been suggested by several people that if I don't like what MAG are doing, then I should join them and try and influence them from within. What a load of HORSE shit (fixed that for you babes).

If I disagree with ISIL, the Catholic Church or the National Party, should I also join those organisations to try and influence them and change their direction? Fcuking dreamers.

Actually I never looked at it that way and you are dead right, its an excellent point

Mad Duck, I'm sorry I called you a cnut. If nothing else, I hope maybe it prepares you for when the grumpy old jew from Ponsonby says it to your face when he can't park his Volvo outside the wine shop because yous fullas are having an "action".

Any protest I can think of no matter what size, about what issue or in whatever shape or form will always cause someone to have a go in public, and I know there are those in MAG who are more than capable of handling that kind of abuse. You once again do make a good point, it is to be expected from Joe Public no matter what they do.

I don't think it's my use of the word cnut that's drawn so much response (hi Murray, I know you're reading this ) or that I used it in addressing a woman. I think instead that the response I seem to have received from my use of the word cnut, including an unsolicited relentless campaign of childish homosexual harassment via PMs, is because I used it in addressing MAG - hero of the biker and the "I'll support them no matter what" ideology deems this to be blasphemous. Sorry, but that's a load of utter, utter bullsiht.

Well I’m sorry you cant take a joke hun

Good luck to MAG, you'll need it if you're ever going to make it from Sideswipe to the actual news pages and hopefully not to the winding up notices in the process.

Yes indeed, the media are very challenging and I am sure MAG will do what they can to make the inroads that are so needed

You might want to consider keeping a certain English MAGNZ member away from the media, he might inadvertently come across a lesbian reporter and I'm sure that would end badly.

Dagenham Dave will be gutted when he finds out.

Couple of things. I am not representing MAG here, I am trying to cast the net wider by publishing their events on KB. This was done with their permission and if they no longer want me to do this then I am sure they will let me know.
Second point, I hope this post is not seen as causing trouble, I am responding to a free debate on open forum without abusive language or intention. Its called an opinion and like everyone else I have a right to express it.

[Maha]

You have (by default) become their unofficial spokesman on here Mark, that's how most see it mate. Personally, I can't phantom why the hell you feel the need to continue with the niggle, knowing it will only cause a response. It can only have a negative effect on the wanting support for MAG.


''This was done with their permission'' Really? MAG gave you permission to respond to Madness?

You see what I mean by unofficial spokesman?

[Fatt Max]

You have (by default) become their unofficial spokesman on here Mark, that's how most see it mate. Personally, I can't phantom why the hell you feel the need to continue with the niggle, knowing it will only cause a response. It can only have a negative effect on the wanting support for MAG.


''This was done with their permission'' Really? MAG gave you permission to respond to Madness?

You see what I mean by unofficial spokesman?

No they gave me permission to publicise their events, and I quote:

I am trying to cast the net wider by publishing their events on KB. This was done with their permission

And my last post was not niggle in a negative sense, I was infact agreeing with a lot of what he said and replying to his valid points in general.

If MAG dont want me to post on this thread anymore then I will let them tell me, otherwise I shall post merrily away, its a free country isnt it?

[Drew]

Fuck sakes there are some long winded bulshit posts in this thread.

I don't much care about the cost of registering a bike. Let the plate die on my bike years ago.

If this works, perhaps it will be cost effective to go the legal route again...I highly doubt it though.

[bogan]

Fuck sakes there are some long winded bulshit posts in this thread.

I don't much care about the cost of registering a bike. Let the plate die on my bike years ago.

If this works, perhaps it will be cost effective to go the legal route again...I highly doubt it though.

Which in itself is fine, (my plate is still active but the rego is not), but that doesn't exclude you (nor me or any other poster) from having a valid opinion about biker's rights and whether MAG are doing a good job or not.

When you think about it, the longest winded posts are the ones which only say I care not for this issue in any degree, but I do care that you should know how I feel about not caring...

[Drew]

Which in itself is fine, (my plate is still active but the rego is not), but that doesn't exclude you (nor me or any other poster) from having a valid opinion about biker's rights and whether MAG are doing a good job or not.

When you think about it, the longest winded posts are the ones which only say I care not for this issue in any degree, but I do care that you should know how I feel about not caring...

Reg on hold is a demerit offense. Dead plate ticket is cheaper.

[bogan]

Reg on hold is a demerit offense. Dead plate ticket is cheaper.

Is it? Reckon the ability to bluff through an on-hold offense might be higher though...

[Drew]

Is it? Reckon the ability to bluff through an on-hold offense might be higher though...

They won't wear it in my experience.

[Fatt Max]

Just a reminder about the next MAG park up tomorrow

MAG are holding another park up event this Saturday, 21st February 2015 in Auckland

Meeting time is 7.30am at the Caltex, 163 Fanshawe Street and from there they will be making their way to Ponsonby.

Cheers my dears