MAG NZ Taking Action

[RGVforme]

I guess in situations of non injury thats where you can get by with photographic evidence in lieu of calling the police but if you did not have your camera on you, you would be stuffed and this would explain the popularity of dash cams maybe. There is no gurantee photographic evidence would be sufficiant in every case though and having witness statements obtained by the police would carry more weight if the photogrphic evidence is questionable.

I didn't have my camera on me at the time.Photos were of the damage location on my car taken in my drive at home.

Dash cams are the item to have in cases like this and will often stop a twat in his/her tracks when they are arguing fault when you point out that you have one and it was rolling.
Yes police involvement is always better to add weight to your argument but only if your the one not at fault.
The last thing a guilty person wants to see it the cops coming lol.

By jove I think you've got it....

[Bikemad]

I guess in situations of non injury thats where you can get by with photographic evidence in lieu of calling the police but if you did not have your camera on you, you would be stuffed and this would explain the popularity of dash cams maybe. There is no gurantee photographic evidence would be sufficiant in every case though and having witness statements obtained by the police would carry more weight if the photogrphic evidence is questionable.

so now answer my question about you swerving to avoid a drunk who stumbled into your path..........you crash.....the drunk leaves and is not identified...the police have a witness that says he thinks you were speeding and as a result the police deem you were also at fault......would you be happy to pay more for your next rego fee?
simple question really....give it a go

[Akzle]

Once again I call troll

rly?

i call fuckwit.

[Big Dog]

rly?

i call fuckwit.

There is a certain degree of brain function required to breathe.
Cassina is still posting. Ergo still alive.
Ipso facto not as stupid as you suggest.

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[nzspokes]

Hahahaha. Cheers Mark. I for one have been working and riding and having a life. Sorry I did not respond immediately - read that as fuck you :P. Only reason I bother with KB these days is because I like to hang out at the track with one of the guys here. Occasionally I see a thread kind of worth looking at.

I am the only member of the committee that has a KB log in and these days- and you know it! Oh and we dont represent you anymore...apparently.

One wonders why he has not responded in quick fashion?

[Voltaire]

Once again a thread has evolved into the world vs cassina with cassina selectively responding...

Once again I call troll and suggest we selectively respond to cassina.

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I find not wasting key strokes on KB sad sacks works for me

[RGVforme]

MAG may have another thing to protest about if that sideburned git from dog and lemon guide gets his way.

To do this of course they may need to leave Devonport and god forbid head off the motorway onto actual state highways.

Not that I think either is going to happen but I heard him( the dog and lemon chap) suggest on one news tonight that median strips up the middle of all main roads and fences down the each side would help stop the number of crashes we have.

Perhaps the best they could get to interview 5 days into the new year.
Have see interviews with this chap before and he does strike me as a bit vague and alternative.

Would be a bugger if so though and up a bikers chance of surviving an off or going wide when hashing a corner just to bash into one of these along the same lines of the 'cheese cutters'.

[RGVforme]

But if you get it wrong when cornering hitting a car going the other way will be no less deadly. I see in parts of ChCh and down Queenstown way they have started putting cheap plastic orange dividing poles between the lanes which would be interesting to know how effective they are at preventing people crossing the centre line. I could see these poles being introduced in a big way if they are proved effective as they would be substantially cheaper than concrete barriers.

Yep on the car point somewhat but a barrier would be there all the time cars are not.

Plastic poles hmm interesting.

[Duncan74]

If you came off and hit the orange posts then they would jsut fold and you'd go through. Wouldn't want to ride through them, but depending on the bike, lean angle and luck you may get away with it. They aren't to stop someone going through them like the wire ropes, but to stop people cutting the corners for no good reason. Also means that if there is a breakdown then the posts can be ripped up in an instant and allow two narrow lanes of traffic.

Finally, they don't need big wide terminating blocks, so can start / finish anywhere unlike the barriers. So a wire rope stops people turnng right out of their drive which can be a problem in some areas where there's no roundabout or other safe opportunity to u turn a sensible distance away.

[Gremlin]

Yep on the car point somewhat but a barrier would be there all the time cars are not.

Plastic poles hmm interesting.

Some plastic poles caught my eye today... https://goo.gl/maps/WMto9HsnA5R2

Just how bad are drivers that we need to go this far? Actually, nevermind, I've seen drivers half in the cycle lane plenty of times

[Duncan74]

Just how bad are drivers that we need to go this far? Actually, nevermind, I've seen drivers half in the cycle lane plenty of times

Around here then even the tapers are fair game at on / off ramps. Honestly I think those are needed in a lot of places to stop the dicks in utes, anything with a rotary engine and any german SUV from pushing in 3m from the turn.

in the tourist hotspots to start off with.

A personal view here, is that whilst in some specific locations then the big issues may be with tourist drivers, these locations are the minority accross NZ. The general weaving in/out of shoulders and cutting of corners is being done by 'nz drivers'. Either that or those tourists are getting darn tricky and tending to be driving logo covered utes at 530am whilst wearing hi-viz vests turning into industrial areas.

[RGVforme]

Around here then even the tapers are fair game at on / off ramps. Honestly I think those are needed in a lot of places to stop the dicks in utes, anything with a rotary engine and any german SUV from pushing in 3m from the turn.



A personal view here, is that whilst in some specific locations then the big issues may be with tourist drivers, these locations are the minority accross NZ. The general weaving in/out of shoulders and cutting of corners is being done by 'nz drivers'. Either that or those tourists are getting darn tricky and tending to be driving logo covered utes at 530am whilst wearing hi-viz vests turning into industrial areas.

Agree here The tourist wrong side of the road thing is good for grabbing news headlines atm.Take a ride on most state highways and rural roads to see corner cutting and center line huggers abound.Townies and farmers.
Hawkes bay drivers are the worst very noticeable difference when riding outside the bay.

Still think that chap on the news was plucking out his bum for the sake of something to say.Less head on crashes yes but lower crash rates over all bollocks.Just another hard object for bad driver to run into.

[Moi]

There 'd be no need for plastic poles on corners and similar places if NZ taught people to drive rather than the three "S"s...

... Start

... Steer

... Stop


I'd happily support MAG if they lobbied for a more comprehensive driving / riding training

... and we might see a lowered ACC levy as well as a lowered road toll.

[Duncan74]

The ACC funded ride forever and the money they are spending on hotspots such as the coromandel are good examples of positive approaches I'd suggest. Ie paying to seal back into farmers access ways to stop gravel getting onto the road on bends. Doesn't grab the headlines as well as 'tourist in hire car not as excellent as all of us superdriver kiwis are' though.

[Moi]

The ACC funded ride forever and the money they are spending on hotspots such as the coromandel are good examples of positive approaches I'd suggest. Ie paying to seal back into farmers access ways to stop gravel getting onto the road on bends. Doesn't grab the headlines as well as 'tourist in hire car not as excellent as all of us superdriver kiwis are' though.

Agree that these are good initiatives. However, they could be seen as ambulance at the bottom of the cliff solutions - it could be argued that better riders, in this instance, might see that gravel fan across the road and so adjust their riding to accommodate it. The two you mentioned are of most benefit to riders than drivers - yes, hitting gravel mid-corner in a car is not pleasant but far less of an issue than doing so on two wheels.

Somehow NZ drivers and riders need to move from the "I'm a superdriver / rider" mentality to "I'm an average driver / rider who could do with a bit of on-going training".

[But this might be problematic as it may reflect badly on their imagined penile size...]