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[Big Dog]

I don't usually read her posts, Cassina comprises one half of my ignore list. Do you think she even knows that if contact with a small(ish) animal is inevitable you have to release the brakes before impact?

To assist the left brainers among us, I would consider most dog breeds small(ish). A large animal might be a horse which would require a different technique. (If your technique with large animals works please let us all know what you did?)

Do you think she has heard about target fixation? It would seem that if something appears in front of her she feels the only option is to hit it.

On balance, just as well she's only in favour of riding slow really.

In the unlikely event there is actually a sensible answer, if someone could quote her please?

Most of what I have read indicates a small animal is one whose shoulder blades are equal to or lower than the top of the front wheel. Taller goes up. Shorter goes down.

Strategy for any large animal you can't ride around is to aim for its arse. If you can't miss it, that gives the animal the best chance of missing you.

Everything I have read either shrugs it's shoulders or gives an answer similar to: brake as long and hard as you can drop enough gears to launch hard, in the moment before impact release the brake and give it a fair amount of throttle.
Not sure of the logic and not keen to try it.





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[pritch]

I wondered why you never responded to this one -

God almighty! I never saw that. Seriously scary. The other day I was warned new meds could interfere with my sleep patterns. They weren't wrong.
Now that.
Fuck! I'll be lucky to get any sleep at all.

I see now that the other half of my ignore list has put in an appearance. The ignore function is conducive to calm contemplation of the meaning of life, the universe, and anything else that takes your fancy. I recommend it. Tomorrow is the eleventh anniversary of my joining KB. In that time I have had precisely two people on ignore. Congratulations, you two may indeed consider yourselves "special".

[pritch]

Strategy for any large animal you can't ride around is to aim for its arse.

That'd be plan A for most. Akzle's plan to go under would be an alternative option.

Horses are dangerous things though. Big teeth at the sharp end and big hooves at the blunt end.
The horsey set will no doubt enjoy a good laugh at that comment. Some of them, no doubt, from their hospital beds.

[J.A.W.]

God almighty! I never saw that. Seriously scary. The other day I was warned new meds could interfere with my sleep patterns. They weren't wrong.
Now that.
Fuck! I'll be lucky to get any sleep at all.

I see now that the other half of my ignore list has put in an appearance. The ignore function is conducive to calm contemplation of the meaning of life, the universe, and anything else that takes your fancy. I recommend it. Tomorrow is the eleventh anniversary of my joining KB. In that time I have had precisely two people on ignore. Congratulations, you two may indeed consider yourselves "special".

Wow, I am so grateful to have been granted the fabulous, rarely gifted imprimatur of the mighty.. Cassina!

Oh, wait.. its not her at all!

Bummer, its just some other bitch-on type, - who evidently can't even stick to his own lame undertakin's.. L.O.L..


Now, back to the far more savoury subject of roadkill..

[Akzle]

That'd be plan A for most. Akzle's plan to go under would be an alternative option.

Horses are dangerous things though. Teeth at the sharp end and big hooves at the blunt end.
The horsey set will no doubt enjoy a good laugh at that comment. Some of them, no doubt, from their hospital beds.

no. Bike goes under. You slide off somewhere els.

The problem with animules big enough to go under is that you dont want to skittle them on top of yourself, unless you can benchpress a fucking cow.

[Flip]

Cassina and Axel have both been on my ignore list for years.

I will help to organise another protest, as I did with COM and the other big one in Wellington a few years ago. I only have one modern bike these days, everything else on 2 wheels is a vintage.

[pritch]

no. Bike goes under. You slide off somewhere els.

Maybe getting off topic but hey? We don't always get a lot of say where we're actually going sans bike

The recommended option if a solid obstacle (car?) appears and is unavoidable is to stand up on the pegs just before impact. You may snap both femurs on the bars but you should (hopefully) be launched over the car rather then burying your head in it.

If that sounds radical watch the stuntmen in the movies, you can sometimes see them starting to stand.

A horse might be a bit tall for that technique. There'd be the risk you could launch yourself up its arse.

[Big Dog]

Police academy comes to mind.

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[WristTwister]

At the risk of sounding unpopular, I think insurance companies have it right. Your payments are based on your risk. New riders pay more, restricted pay less, full pay the lowest - same as car drivers. Although levies don't need to be based on your licence, it could be number of years riding or rider training). If you have an accident and you are at fault, you go back to paying the higher rate again - at least temporarily.

Also we need more rider awareness, for all the extra money ACC collects from motorcyclists they don't seem to advertise for our safety on tv "Look left, look right, look bike" - prevention is in their logo after all.

[Jin]

[GrayWolf]

That's the milk and nuts of it there mate.

Having the skills time and awareness to avoid a crash but choosing not to because that 'Guy' who blew that stop sign out into the front of you was legally wrong is a rather concerning thought pattern along with cassinas fixation with others being at fault.

Im calling PTSD here for this person from having too many crashes.

As much as it pains meto 'defend' cassina, in this case I think you and barnett are actually being a tad harsh. I very recently took out a cat on the bike. At night, poorly lit road and it was 'under/beside? a parked car' then obviously decided to shoot out and run across the road. I had ZERO time to react, brake, or avoid. All I could do was NOT hit the front brake hard, and ran over it squarely, both wheels. It was dead on impact, thankfully.
I ride 'wide' of parked vehicles as much as possible, but under the circumstances there was bugger all I could do by the time the cat came into peripheral view in the headlight.

[Akzle]

As much as it pains meto 'defend' cassina, in this case I think you and barnett are actually being a tad harsh. I very recently took out a cat on the bike. At night, poorly lit road and it was 'under/beside? a parked car' then obviously decided to shoot out and run across the road. I had ZERO time to react, brake, or avoid. All I could do was NOT hit the front brake hard, and ran over it squarely, both wheels. It was dead on impact, thankfully.
I ride 'wide' of parked vehicles as much as possible, but under the circumstances there was bugger all I could do by the time the cat came into peripheral view in the headlight.

cat≠dog.

Plus. Its a cat. Noone gives a fuck about cat.

Plus. Have you done it 7 times?

[J.A.W.]

cat≠dog.

Plus. Its a cat. Noone gives a fuck about cat.

Plus. Have you done it 7 times?

If its an owned/kept animal that collides with you, there are legal obligations to stop & attempt to report the matter..

Ferals, possums, stoats however..

& as for "its a cat. No one gives a fuck about a cat." - I guess there are parts of the world where you wouldn't want to hit a big-as (~200Kg) cat on your bike..

[GrayWolf]

cat≠dog.

Plus. Its a cat. Noone gives a fuck about cat.

Plus. Have you done it 7 times?

Lemme see since 1974, blackbird strike doing 90mph {indicated} on an RD250 at least 2 squirrels, 2/3 cats, possum {on a canam, avoid hitting one if poss, they are solid and do damage to bodywork} a duck..........

[RGVforme]

As much as it pains meto 'defend' cassina, in this case I think you and barnett are actually being a tad harsh. I very recently took out a cat on the bike. At night, poorly lit road and it was 'under/beside? a parked car' then obviously decided to shoot out and run across the road. I had ZERO time to react, brake, or avoid. All I could do was NOT hit the front brake hard, and ran over it squarely, both wheels. It was dead on impact, thankfully.
I ride 'wide' of parked vehicles as much as possible, but under the circumstances there was bugger all I could do by the time the cat came into peripheral view in the headlight.

I understand your point....and also that sometimes you just cant avoid hitting something due to the situation.
The "Its you or the possum" Tv ad comes to mind here looking at the other posts also.

Its looks to me like you perhaps ride/drive defensively doing all you can to avoid being struck by someone or something to avoid a collision until there is no option left but to strike whatever it is in your path.

It get the impression that cassina from previous posts she rides/drives inevitably.Im going to be struck or am going to collide into something/someone in my path no matter what I do more than likely at the fault of others.

I could be wrong in both cases.But I also post back towards cassina in case I am right in the hopes to change even slightly what I see as a very dangerous mindset when it comes to being on our roads.
Perhaps saving the lives of a few dogs in the process also.
Or have my own mind changed by a statement that rings true. Waiting waiting.