Petition to align New Zealand motorcycle ACC levy structures to LAMS

[Reckless]

- that ACC should be aware of the LAMS bikes and re-assess the ACC levies for bikes registered as LAMS bikes accordingly - exempting them from the above 600cc surcharge (as they make considerably less power than a bike of a smaller displacement)

The fact ACC cant suss something as simple as this casts real doubt on all their other assessments???

[FJRider]

The petition is about that with the introduction of LAMS, as someone pointed out, LAMS and ACC is separate - that ACC should be aware of the LAMS bikes and re-assess the ACC levies for bikes registered as LAMS bikes accordingly - exempting them from the above 600cc surcharge (as they make considerably less power than a bike of a smaller displacement)

Why should learners expect to be exempt from fees already in place ... that for all motorcycles over the limit have to be paid.


It is not ACC that SET the fees.

Learners could be seen at more at risk of an accident (as they are still learning to ride) ... so perhaps ... they may ask Government for a HIGHER levy paid for ALL LAM's motorcycles.




Rock the boat and somebody might get wet ...

[TheDemonLord]

Why should learners expect to be exempt from fees already in place ... that for all motorcycles over the limit have to be paid.

Because those fees are based off assumed power of a larger displacement engine

It is not ACC that SET the fees.

The ACC levy is set by ACC is it not?

Learners could be seen at more at risk of an accident (as they are still learning to ride) ... so perhaps ... they may ask Government for a HIGHER levy paid for ALL LAM's motorcycles.

Rock the boat and somebody might get wet ...

If they changed it so that the LAMS bikes were exempted from the over 600 CC limit, but instead, as you said, imposed a learner bike levy, then that is different - but let me ask you this - prior to the introduction of LAMS - was there such a Levy applied to 250cc bikes (the only size learners and restricted licence holders could ride) - I don't believe there was - so your point there is a little moot

[mossy1200]

Idd sign a petition for a flat acc fee on my licence and no acc content on my registration on each bike.

[neels]

Idd sign a petition for a flat acc fee on my licence and no acc content on my registration on each bike.

I agree with the philosophy, it would save me from paying the ACC levy on 2 bikes if I only had to pay the levy on my licence and ride whichever I like.

It wouldn't help my son, who is a student so no longer owns a bike as it's too expensive on a limited income, currently he his bludging off me and riding one of my bikes occasionally. How long would it take not paying the ACC levy before his motorcycle licence was cancelled and he has to start again?

There's a fishhook in every cunning plan......

[mossy1200]

I agree with the philosophy, it would save me from paying the ACC levy on 2 bikes if I only had to pay the levy on my licence and ride whichever I like.

It wouldn't help my son, who is a student so no longer owns a bike as it's too expensive on a limited income, currently he his bludging off me and riding one of my bikes occasionally. How long would it take not paying the ACC levy before his motorcycle licence was cancelled and he has to start again?

There's a fishhook in every cunning plan......

Like putting your licence on hold. Hand it back and pay $15 issue fee and pay for a min 1month to have a new one issued when you want to ride again.
Wouldn't be that hard and would give vtnz something to do now 1 year warrants are in.

[Reckless]

Idd sign a petition for a flat acc fee on my licence and no acc content on my registration on each bike.

Might not work out Mossy if all those idle bikes are subsiding us riders we might get a freakin big fright at the yearly licence renew bill??
Although I guess most have gone on hold like my Z? I don't trust the buggers and their figures it'll be just another chance to set new fee's.

[mossy1200]

Might not work out Mossy if all those idle bikes are subsiding us riders we might get a freakin big fright at the yearly licence renew bill??
Although I guess most have gone on hold like my Z? I don't trust the buggers and their figures it'll be just another chance to set new fee's.

Could be the other way around. There is 3 motorcycle licences for every legal road bike in NZ.

[Reckless]

Could be the other way around. There is 3 motorcycle licences for every legal road bike in NZ.

Possibly ?? Chicken and egg I reckon? I Cant decide which?
All those bikes coming off hold or all those licences going on hold or Visa versa.
A good thing to come out of it would be the resit after a licence being on hold for say 5 years??
Anyone with more than one bike would rather your suggestion so they could ride any they choose at anytime, like the old days?
My Z is nearly a classic so will be on much cheaper rego soon anyway?

[Voltaire]

My wife has a bike licence, last rode on the road in around 1985.
Classic reg kicks in the year the bike was built.
EG: my built mid 1976 BMW R90 will be cheap rego ( $117:00) Jan 1 next year.

[FJRider]

Because those fees are based off assumed power of a larger displacement engine

Close ... based on risk factor of Cubic Capacity .... immaterial of restricted/unrestricted versions. Cubic Capacity rules in Legislation. Not BHP ..

The LAM's scheme is based on Power to weight ratio ... and is a different act of legislation. Approved/instagated by LTSA. Not ACC.

The ACC levy is set by ACC is it not?

Not SET by ACC. They have no control of Treasury ... nor can demand (only ASK) any of/from/in Legislation. (I think they actually wanted MORE)

ACC levies are a name given ... for want of a better name/excuse for demand of funding from the motoring public .....

If they changed it so that the LAMS bikes were exempted from the over 600 CC limit, but instead, as you said, imposed a learner bike levy, then that is different - but let me ask you this - prior to the introduction of LAMS - was there such a Levy applied to 250cc bikes (the only size learners and restricted licence holders could ride) - I don't believe there was - so your point there is a little moot

What benefit would Government have to such exemption .. ??? Why any in their right mind would buy (new) an oversize cc ... underpowered motorcycle with higher levies to be paid. When motorcycles under the limit would have similar weight and power with less expected in levies. I'm guessing people would rather boast they ride a 650 ... than a 550 ...

Before LAM's ... ALL 250cc bikes were allowed to be ridden on Learner/Restricted licenses ... even the ones now on the banned list. THEY produced more power than the GSX650FU .....

Were/are motorcyclists better off then ... or now ... ???

ACC have already stated they do not want to reduce any levy that is applied to motorcyclists. Note that Levies are only applied to Road Registered motorcyclists. Yet off road (not road legal) motorcyclists are often requiring ACC assistance. Look to redress that ("Wrong" .. ??) .. first ... perhaps ... ??? You are helping to pay their share ...

[BMWGSER]

It's just all to hard , Just put the ACC levy on to the fuel and You will get everybody .
No more regos on hold because it will only cost about $40 per year .
But then the trail bike boys will be paying ACC fees to help pay for the chopper rides.
The list just goes on , Simple just put it on the gas.

[The Reibz]

5 bucks and a bag of chips to the man who stops Cassina breathing