$6-8k, looking for suggestions

[DIYDan]

I've recently gone from a Ninja 250 to a CBR1000RR. I had my mind set on a CBR600RR for a couple of years, until I had an opportunity to ride an R6, and R1.

I found I enjoyed the low end power of the 1000cc more. It's true the 1000's have greater acceleration and top speed, but the 600's aren't slow either. I'd say if you can't control the power of the 1000cc machines, I doubt you'd have more success on the 600cc's.

Remember when you're gunning that 600 full tit and a car pulls out in front of you; if you'd been on a 1000, it would be pulling out behind you.

[carburator]

I've recently gone from a Ninja 250 to a CBR1000RR. I had my mind set on a CBR600RR for a couple of years, until I had an opportunity to ride an R6, and R1.

I found I enjoyed the low end power of the 1000cc more. It's true the 1000's have greater acceleration and top speed, but the 600's aren't slow either. I'd say if you can't control the power of the 1000cc machines, I doubt you'd have more success on the 600cc's.

Remember when you're gunning that 600 full tit and a car pulls out in front of you; if you'd been on a 1000, it would be pulling out behind you.

And That's why you will be one of those flys we pick off the bullbars of the trucks.

[Akzle]

SWMBO keeps nixxing things like the z1000 I was looking at...

you need a new one, sounds like yours is defective.

[DIYDan]

And That's why you will be one of those flys we pick off the bullbars of the trucks.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

A couple of months back, I did 2,200Km on a 250, over 36hrs. At no time would I have been safer on a bigger bike. No one needs anything more than that on the road.

If you have concerns that you won't be able to handle a 1000cc sports bike, because it's too big a bike. Then the same must apply to the 600cc sports bike.

Are 1000cc bikes more dangerous than 600cc? Or is it more likely people that invite risk into their lives, become drawn the the extra power of the 1000cc bikes?

If you take either bike to it's limit, they are both as likely to kill you.

[BuzzardNZ]

I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

A couple of months back, I did 2,200Km on a 250, over 36hrs. At no time would I have been safer on a bigger bike. No one needs anything more than that on the road.

If you have concerns that you won't be able to handle a 1000cc sports bike, because it's too big a bike. Then the same must apply to the 600cc sports bike.

Are 1000cc bikes more dangerous than 600cc? Or is it more likely people that invite risk into their lives, become drawn the the extra power of the 1000cc bikes?

If you take either bike to it's limit, they are both as likely to kill you.

I kind of agree with some of your points re 600 vs 1000, but moving up from a 250 to either is a hell of a jump in my book!

I honestly think the old system ( pre lams ) was safer for learners, well it was 4 me, i did the old 125 --> 250 --> 400 --> 600 --> 1000 route, it just don't seem right to me that a learner can ride away on a 600+ as their 1st bike

[Big Dog]

I went 100 > 250 > 250 > 1100 > 1300 > 110 > 350 > 1300.
The 100 was easily the most dangerous. Once moving pursing my lips and blowing would have probably slowed me quicker than the brakes did.

From the 110 on there was some concurrency.

Hayabusa easily the safest bike. Best brakes and more than once cracking the taps wide open and gritting my teeth as I hung on for dear life and pointed at the only gap was the only reason I survived. Braking so hard my visor popped wide open was also a saviour a few times. Ironically not speeding at the time.

Except on the open road more than 100cc is just stretching your diddle out to see who's is bigger. My preference for bigger bikes has more to do with the fact that bigger bikes tend to come with better suspenders ( real important at a buck and a half plus gear ) , better brakes ( did i mention I add > 150kg to the moving mass?) more leg room, better lights, handle bars that don't hit my knees, and the possibility of taking a pillion.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[n3Xro]

you need a new one, sounds like yours is defective.

Thanks but married this one so getting a new one would cost me more than an hp4...

[haydes55]

I wouldn't rule out the Z1000. I did the jump from my learners bike (KLX300 badged as a 250). To a Z1000, it only goes as fast as I twist my wrist. It's heavier than a 600 and has comparable HP with more torque.

Hornet 900 would be another good step up bike. Just because they have bug engines, doesn't make them dangerous. Think of it like LAMs, an RS250 isn't approved and a gsx650fu is. Cc isn't everything.

Also would you rather have a bike that can overtake by rolling on the power in 6th gear at 100km/h, or drop a couple cogs and rev it to the red line? 600's are often a lot more revvy and need tore work on the gear lever to get the most out of them. A Z1000 would be a lazier more relaxed bike to ride. Plus being naked, my neck hurts if I spend over an hour going above 140km/h

[Akzle]

At no time would I have been safer on a bigger bike. No one needs anything more than that on the road.

If you have concerns that you won't be able to handle a 1000cc sports bike, because it's too big a bike.

Are 1000cc bikes more dangerous than 600cc? Or is it more likely people that invite risk into their lives, become drawn the the extra power of the 1000cc bikes?

If you take either bike to it's limit, they are both as likely to kill you.

utter, utter, horseshit.

1) your safety is entirely in your hands, irrespective of if you're on a 2.1lt v6 whore-rendous motorbike, or a fucking moped.

2) do you know this guy personally??
"i have concerns" - that's nice dear. keep them to yourself.

3) see 1). no bike is "more dangerous" due to displacement.

4) have you heard of this wee thing called the GP? - it's this minor event where talented individuals take bikes, tyres, engineering, and themselves to the limit and don't kill themselves.
again, see 1). if you take a 50cc to YOUR limit, it will kill you just as quickly as a turbo busa.

it just don't seem right to me that a learner can ride away on a 600+ as their 1st bike

but they're mmmmmmmmaaaaverage pieces of thumping shit. it's not like you can jump on a 600RR. legally.

Except on the open road more than 100cc is just stretching your diddle out to see who's is bigger. My preference for bigger bikes has more to do with the fact that bigger bikes tend to come with better suspenders ( real important at a buck and a half plus gear ) , better brakes ( did i mention I add > 150kg to the moving mass?) more leg room, better lights, handle bars that don't hit my knees, and the possibility of taking a pillion.

no. and yes.
'round town anything up to 500 is "practical"

many 250s, especially if they were necked down 400 models, have brakes and suspenders up to the task. but yeah. the more you pay. the more you get.

[Asher]

My 2cents. I have a 06 636 and 2 others I ride with have 636's too. None of us paid more than $7500 for them and mine had 14000kms on the clock and the others are around20-25000kms on the clocks. They are great bikes and the 636cc engine makes impressive power although the brakes are mediocre and they are known for weak 2nd gears.

Just be patient and I'm sure you will be able to find a tidy low kms bike for under 8k

[Grashopper]

I wouldn't rule out the Z1000. I did the jump from my learners bike (KLX300 badged as a 250). To a Z1000, it only goes as fast as I twist my wrist. It's heavier than a 600 and has comparable HP with more torque.

I don't know. If I remember correctly your motorbike background was a bit more comprehensive than the random garden variety of learner rider's.

[Ender EnZed]

utter, utter, horseshit.

1) your safety is entirely in your hands, irrespective of if you're on a 2.1lt v6 whore-rendous motorbike, or a fucking moped.

2) do you know this guy personally??
"i have concerns" - that's nice dear. keep them to yourself.

3) see 1). no bike is "more dangerous" due to displacement.

4) have you heard of this wee thing called the GP? - it's this minor event where talented individuals take bikes, tyres, engineering, and themselves to the limit and don't kill themselves.
again, see 1). if you take a 50cc to YOUR limit, it will kill you just as quickly as a turbo busa.

I'm fairly sure you missed his point, since you just reiterated it in a slightly more abusive tone.

[DIYDan]

utter, utter, horseshit.
1) your safety is entirely in your hands, irrespective of if you're on a 2.1lt v6 whore-rendous motorbike, or a fucking moped.

You enjoy a spot of fishing? Got a nice red herring their.

2) do you know this guy personally??
"i have concerns" - that's nice dear. keep them to yourself.

Maybe you’d like to, lead by example?

3) see 1). no bike is "more dangerous" due to displacement.

See #19

4) have you heard of this wee thing called the GP? - it's this minor event where talented individuals take bikes, tyres, engineering, and themselves to the limit and don't kill themselves.

The main difference is, this event doesn’t take place on an open public road.

I’ll reiterate what I’ve already said; just so everyone's clear. I started off on the same bike as the opening poster. I also had my mind set on a 600cc because I thought a 1000cc was just asking for trouble. Until a rode one and came to the realisation that there is no difference when road riding. If anything, the 1000cc handles nicer at open road speeds, and when overtaking.

As has been discussed, I wouldn’t worry so much about engine capacity. If a 750 or 1000 comes along and it’s the style or model you’re after, at the right price, don’t turn it down, because it’s more than 600cc.

The fuel economy for the Ninja, I found, was around 22Km/L, my CBR1000 is around 17Km/L; a CBR600RR is about the same. It’s hard to come up with a good reason to stay, just with the 600cc bikes. If you’re capable of riding a Kawasaki 636, you’re capable of riding anything.

[Akzle]

I'm fairly sure you missed his point, since you just reiterated it in a slightly more abusive tone.

if that is in fact the case, i eat my hat.

but since the words don't seem to line up with that.... i playem as they're dealt.

Maybe you’d like to, lead by example?

frequently. i do.
i have no concerns about this rider.
thus none of my sentences have started with "i have concerns about you'..."
[quote]The main difference is, this event doesn’t take place on an open public road. [/quote[
yes. that's entirely relevant to taking responsibility for your own shit.


wait. no it isn't.

[n3Xro]

Hmm thanks for the feedback all, definitely have a few more options on my list now.
TBH at least some of the reason for going to 600cc was the familiarity, I've ridden a 600 before, haven't ridden a 1000. Will definitely give that a try before making the decision on where to spend my cash.

PS. Mods may be worth letting people know if there's a reason their threads get moved, I listed a query about supersports bikes in the sports bike thread only for it to end up in the newbie/wannabe bikers forum... did I miss something? or is the sport bike thread just for queries about locks and alarms?