cars are, like, so much safer than bikes.

**chris** · 20th September 2005, 09:48

Originally Posted by texmo

Cant be on sale wont pass frontal impact, there was a nice alfa that some guy had brough over from the uk in vinz last week wont ever go on the road because that model didnt meet nz frontal impact standards nothing he can do.

A manufacturer supplied certificate of conformity (is that correct? Can't remember) is what is needed. The Alfa will have passed European standards. Went through the same with a Mitsubishi Pajero. Didn't have the necessary frontal impact standards as it did not arrive here from Japan. After a lot of phone calls, Mitsubishi issued a certificate, and the Pajero is now on the road in NZ.
So, it should be possible to get the Alfa on the road, the owner needs to persevere.

**Motu** · 20th September 2005, 09:58

Originally Posted by chris

It was slightly more than 'easy swerves'. The test conducted by the Swedish journalists was the Elk test. This involved a sudden change of direction, as though an Elk had just wandered out from the edge of the forest into the path of an oncoming vehicle. It involves a harsh, sudden change of direction. It is, apparently, a standard test carried out by Swedish journos.

I think I saw them do it to a Rangerover on 5th Gear,makes you a bit more aware if you drive a 4x4.That's why that 4x4 rolled on Muriwai,took an evaisive swerve and it's all over.But why didn't 'safety'' concious Mercedes Benz know about it,that was the big stink.

By the way this thing folds up I'd say it doesn't have a full chassis,but most 4x4s these days don't - because they have to pass a crash test,a full chassis one won't.But yes,someone has cocked up - but 40 or 50 years behind? No way...5 years maybe.

**Biff** · 20th September 2005, 13:00

Originally Posted by MisterD

Looks like the old Isuzu / Holden thing, dunno what it was here...Vauxhall Frontera in the UK I think.

Yup. Heap of shite, and as good at off roading as Elvis on a Harley.

**oldrider** · 20th September 2005, 13:32

I might be mistaken but it resembles a "Kia" model currently on sale here!!! Korean make. I had an earlier model, never crashed it but it was a good car to drive and performed well in 4x4. Shit ,didn't like the look of those tests. Cheers John.

**Ixion** · 20th September 2005, 14:34

Originally Posted by chris

A manufacturer supplied certificate of conformity (is that correct? Can't remember) is what is needed. The Alfa will have passed European standards. Went through the same with a Mitsubishi Pajero. Didn't have the necessary frontal impact standards as it did not arrive here from Japan. After a lot of phone calls, Mitsubishi issued a certificate, and the Pajero is now on the road in NZ.
So, it should be possible to get the Alfa on the road, the owner needs to persevere.

Conformity ? Standards ? Alfa ????

**Ixion** · 20th September 2005, 14:38

Originally Posted by Motu

I think I saw them do it to a Rangerover on 5th Gear,makes you a bit more aware if you drive a 4x4.That's why that 4x4 rolled on Muriwai,took an evaisive swerve and it's all over.But why didn't 'safety'' concious Mercedes Benz know about it,that was the big stink.

By the way this thing folds up I'd say it doesn't have a full chassis,but most 4x4s these days don't - because they have to pass a crash test,a full chassis one won't.But yes,someone has cocked up - but 40 or 50 years behind? No way...5 years maybe.

Anybody driving a 4x4 and NOT realising that they'll roll if you treat 'em rough is a prat. And the sooner they roll themselves off the road (or off the off raod , in this case, the better)

full chassis,but most 4x4s these days don't

Yeah, that's why I like the old Pajero. Solid steel full chassis, take one HELL of a lot to crumple it. Even the bumpers are solid steel plate welded up. not pretty but tough as. Modern ones are wimpmobiles.

**myvice** · 20th September 2005, 20:14

Originally Posted by texmo

Cant be on sale wont pass frontal impact, there was a nice alfa that some guy had brough over from the uk in vinz last week wont ever go on the road because that model didnt meet nz frontal impact standards nothing he can do.

Know a guy with a TVR Griffith from Pomgolia, same problem.
Anyone wanna buy a TVR?
Good ($45-$50k) track car?

**Lou Girardin** · 21st September 2005, 08:18

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yeah, that's why I like the old Pajero. Solid steel full chassis, take one HELL of a lot to crumple it. Even the bumpers are solid steel plate welded up. not pretty but tough as. Modern ones are wimpmobiles.

They used to use the occupants as crumple zones, didn't they.