Motorcyclist tells off van driver - You won't believe what happens next!

[nodrog:Me]

Your Code of Compliance certificate has been emailed to you.

choice!

I once heard it would be better for learners to ride a motorcycle first in the interest of developing awareness. This was confirmed by a guy on here who said when his wife was learning to ride she found it was necessary to become far more aware than driving a car.

fuck it must be true then.

If you can fill in the Hazard Register and file it under your seat, prior to commencing the ride please.

how will I know I will encounter some fucktard on his goat pro before I set off?

[nodrog:Me]

Some people do. They need to build a bridge and get over it.

I thought it was a fence?

fuck it, ill just build a ramp.

[willytheekid]

I got camera on bike! (not right now tho...damn thing broke mount...again!!)

I don't post online or share the footage with anyone*(and don't send in all the footage of carnage etc on ChCh roads to the popo)...its not what its for

Mines there in case I get knocked...hard!, a few mates know its hidden on the bike and its purpose...to speak for me if I cannot!. (And I hope that day never comes)

I actualy used to have it in a visual place (shoulder strap on bag)...but when some people see a camera, and they have been acting up...YOU ARE SUDDENLY THERE NEXT TARGET OF RAGE!!

I had a rethink after some boy racers thought I was filming them being dicks (Was just trying to ride home)...but they saw a camera!, so they tried to forcably stop me for a wee "chat"...with there fucking car!!

Twice now, the visable camera has caused me such grief with dickheads (It also works the other way sometimes, people pull there head in etc)...but I no longer risk it now, hence the hidden camera for MY personal reasons, so if the worst ever happens, my friends can get the footage, and once "checked", my family can possibly have more answers than questions.

But I do like watching ride & track vids etc, so I encourage those use's etc...but I feel some on here need to be aware of the possible repercussions of being "armed" with a highly visable camera...don't play cop like the guy in the vid did...he was lucky that van driver was "reasonable"...ish, and not some insane kid on a high and acting out of rage or panic...and trying to "remove" the evidence.

Ride Safe Kbers...we aint the popo!, were mean't to keep them employed (There paid to deal with that shit...we aint!)


* cept that time you lot asked to see the ChCh roads after the quake...a one off, cos I hate sharing

[Old Steve]

They should all be made to learn and drive the first couple of years in a manual so they have to be more in tune with the car and the events going on around them.

We made our son learn and get his license in a manual, and he still drives a manual 3 or so years later.

Also, when he first got his L plate, I took him out onto the driveway and had him sit in the driver's seat and keep an eye on me as I walked 1 metre away from the back and side of the car until he lost sight of me in the side mirrors. I told him to always look over his shoulder before changing lanes or pulling out as the motorbike rider's life he saved might be his fathers. We also did a defensive driving course together, and I'd take him out in the car and discuss things we had covered in the course with him.

I've been in the passenger's seat when he drives and he always checks over his shoulder. I'm quite comfortable being a passenger with him. I'm satisfied with the job I did, wish some other parents took as much interest in their children's driving safety.

I'm a fence at the top and ambulance at the bottom kinda person. Because ... there will be others that jump the fence trip and fall and drag someone down to their horrible and gruesome death.

Actually, wouldn't a hearse at the bottom be more appropriate?

[caseye]

We made our son learn and get his license in a manual, and he still drives a manual 3 or so years later.

Also, when he first got his L plate, I took him out onto the driveway and had him sit in the driver's seat and keep an eye on me as I walked 1 metre away from the back and side of the car until he lost sight of me in the side mirrors. I told him to always look over his shoulder before changing lanes or pulling out as the motorbike rider's life he saved might be his fathers. We also did a defensive driving course together, and I'd take him out in the car and discuss things we had covered in the course with him.

I've been in the passenger's seat when he drives and he always checks over his shoulder. I'm quite comfortable being a passenger with him. I'm satisfied with the job I did, wish some other parents took as much interest in their children's driving safety.



Actually, wouldn't a hearse at the bottom be more appropriate?

Well done that man, did the same with all three of our girls. They all drive well, no one on a bike needs to fear them, some car drivers should though.
The ones that really , really, REALLY Piss em OFF!

[Juniper]

he was lucky that van driver was "reasonable"...ish, and not some insane kid on a high and acting out of rage or panic...and trying to "remove" the evidence.

Ride Safe Kbers...we aint the popo!, were mean't to keep them employed (There paid to deal with that shit...we aint!)


* cept that time you lot asked to see the ChCh roads after the quake...a one off, cos I hate sharing

Actually the van driver ripped the camera off his helmet and then threw it out the window later down the road.

[Big Dog]

What the police need to do is offer a percentage of the fine money to those who have camera evidence of an offence as after all they are doing their job for free. I agree with you the guy on the bike took a risk and I guess those that see themselves as wannabe police will continue to take the risk in the same way as those on the opposite side of the law do.

I thought that too. At first.
The trouble with video evidence is it only shows what the submitter wants you to see.

For all we know the van driver was trying to call the police to report a biker pulling stunts in traffic. It doesn't take much in the way of editing skills to lop your stoppie where you almost ran a little old lady over off.

It is bad enough listening to all the whinging around here when someone gets a ticket. "Oh, the cop hid under a bridge. Impossible not to speed there on such an awesome bike with my awesome skills." Wa fucken waaaa.

Now imagine a world where people want to make a little cash and can get it by submitting videos.
I am willing to bet most people reading this post can think of at least one person who would cause situations so they can edit their own actions out and submit for cash.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

What the police need to do is offer a percentage of the fine money to those who have camera evidence of an offence as after all they are doing their job for free. I agree with you the guy on the bike took a risk and I guess those that see themselves as wannabe police will continue to take the risk in the same way as those on the opposite side of the law do.

What the police need to do is keep doing what they do.

What we as citizens need to do is let them with as little bellyaching as possible.
Sure if a ticket is unjust fight it. If it is not unjust pay your tax and move on.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[caspernz]

What the police need to do is keep doing what they do.

What we as citizens need to do is let them with as little bellyaching as possible.
Sure if a ticket is unjust fight it. If it is not unjust pay your tax and move on.

Yep, that's fair enough.

Another funny aspect I've discovered after years of research...is that if I drive/ride in a sensible and respectful manner, in general that's the response I get back. Indicating, safe following distances, keeping left, you know that basic shite? We're always gonna come across the exception, and that includes ambiguous policing from time to time.

Oh, and when someone makes a little mistake in front of me then I just take a deep breath and let it go. How much of the drama on our roads is storm in a teacup stuff?

[TheDemonLord]

What we as citizens need to do is let them with as little bellyaching as possible.
Sure if a ticket is unjust fight it. If it is not unjust pay your tax and move on.

This is the fine line though - at what point is it Just/Unjust? To many, the 5 Kph tolerance is Unjust, but from a Police PoV, they issued a valid ticket etc.

Further to this - the police can't be everywhere at once, and so we have a responsibility to work with them to crack down on illegal behaviour - sometimes that is *555 a driver, but that may not always be possible.

[willytheekid]

What the police need to do is offer a percentage of the fine money to those who have camera evidence of an offence as after all they are doing their job for free. I agree with you the guy on the bike took a risk and I guess those that see themselves as wannabe police will continue to take the risk in the same way as those on the opposite side of the law do.

Willytheekid aint no nark! ....popo can do there job

...and I will just continue to do mine!



...the money chasing wannabe camera cops can fuck right off!, theres enough people restricting HARMLESS FUN as it is.

[Big Dog]

This is the fine line though - at what point is it Just/Unjust? To many, the 5 Kph tolerance is Unjust, but from a Police PoV, they issued a valid ticket etc.

Further to this - the police can't be everywhere at once, and so we have a responsibility to work with them to crack down on illegal behaviour - sometimes that is *555 a driver, but that may not always be possible.

But is it really unjust to expect people to follow the rules?

I got a ticket yesterday. 12 over.
Fair enough. I was 12 over.
2 kms more than tolerance. But that is still 12 over the posted limit.

EOD: if I did not know I was speeding then I deserved a second ticket for not paying attention. As it was, I knew I was over the posted limit but was not aware I was over the tolerance.
It was justified. At 101 I would have wanted to see a calibration cert. hell at 103 I would have argued till I was blue in the face. But if the advertise tolerance was 105 and I got popped at 106. That's the rules.

Not my first ticket. In the past I have always been 1 km over the posted tolerance. But I don't argue them because I was speeding.
Over 8 years and a 150000 kms on a bike since last ticket.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

The problem with your argument is that the police can not be everywhere at once and having public cameras keeping an eye on things as well can only be a good thing as long as the owner of the camera does not try and physically confront as well.

The problem with your argument is that you are not stating a new point of view or introducing new evidence. So not really an argument as much as restating your original position.
No, the police cannot be everywhere.
Would you really want them to be?
Have you looked at your own life and thought I am completely without sin in all aspects?
Do you always correctly indicate? Observe all speed limits? Do you recycle? Do you dispose of your oil in a responsible manner? Have you ever found something in the street without handing it in?
Have you ever executed a lane change to find that no your head check was not adequate?
Have you never broken the law without getting caught? Mass survailence might put an end to crime but at what cost?

For that matter do you know what all the applicable laws are at all times?

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[veldthui]

But is it really unjust to expect people to follow the rules?

I got a ticket yesterday. 12 over.
Fair enough. I was 12 over.
2 kms more than tolerance. But that is still 12 over the posted limit.

EOD: if I did not know I was speeding then I deserved a second ticket for not paying attention. As it was, I knew I was over the posted limit but was not aware I was over the tolerance.
It was justified. At 101 I would have wanted to see a calibration cert. hell at 103 I would have argued till I was blue in the face. But if the advertise tolerance was 105 and I got popped at 106. That's the rules.

Not my first ticket. In the past I have always been 1 km over the posted tolerance. But I don't argue them because I was speeding.
Over 8 years and a 150000 kms on a bike since last ticket.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

There is no tolerance anymore so you were 12 over. Has been in papers and such for months now.

[Big Dog]

There is no tolerance anymore so you were 12 over. Has been in papers and such for months now.

Not what the officer issuing the ticket said.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.