Reality Check - AA

**pritch** · 28th March 2015, 18:32

When in proximity to an SUV I am careful. Nobody who is really interested in driving would be the least bit interested in an SUV.

That might seem to be prejudice but if you follow that rule you'll probably be right more times than not? You'll be safer anyway.

**Akzle** · 28th March 2015, 19:15

Originally Posted by Tazz

nothing wrong with the handling and electric aids in the rest of that list, as horrible as they seem in theory.

the problem being, theyre 'compensating' for poor vehicle design and fighting physics.
Take one for a thrash on gravel and all those 'aids' become irrelevant. Because physics.
Also, gay as shit to pay to repair/place sensors because your car went gay.
If it cant be fixed with a hammer, spanners and a screwdriver, its fucking useless 80% of the places i drive.

I've done a good 20k in a Harrier and it is a safer drive 100 times over than most rear wheel drive sedans I've driven.

then youre bad at driving.

You could probably roll a Civic easier than one of those things.

giz a turn oi.

Utes are cunts to drive compared to SUV's or smaller cars,

again. Youre bad at driving.
I'll measure my penis against yours by challenging you to a race: shitarse farmhack ute vs your harriet.

**SVboy** · 28th March 2015, 20:53

Originally Posted by Akzle

no. no you can fuck off.

hammering a fouby chassis-designed body down to a unibody platform, then making it out of shitarse panel alloy instead of actual fucking metal is gay shit. add an automatic box, fly by wire googleputer and a hundred electric gadgets to compensate for your piss-poor driver training and you're a fucking dick.
fun fact: no-one worth knowing has a rav4. quattro, cayenne, Xs 3 through 6, all gay as fuck.

SUVs are, by design, shit. they're not real fourbys, they're not real cars. they're not "sports" and they're fuckall "utility",
"vehicle" is questionable.

they're jacked up, jacked off obese station wagons. they're for the small-penis/overlarge-clit market. and everyone who owns one should kill themselves right now.

Well said that man!

**R650R** · 28th March 2015, 21:10

Originally Posted by caspernz

How does one quantify this on accident stats though?

I don't think they do. We all know how shite the grip is on a bad wet section of tar bleed. The problem is how the police test the surface after a crash.
There method with that fancy gizmo on dash board of repeated fast stops seems to give them an average reading of grip and in a forward direction. I don't think their methods account for the contribution of initial loss of traction that even a small section of crap road can cause. Maybe our resident experts can give us more info, that's the ones that do it for a job btw not that multi quoting fella...

couple years back their was that nasty 8 person fatal when that van slid on SH27 into path of truck in wet. The investigation revealed nothing wrong with the road. But it had bad tar bleed for ages and everyone I knew was backing off for that bend in the wet and not railing it on the cruise control... Strangely enough it got resealed after investigation finished...

**R650R** · 28th March 2015, 21:12

Originally Posted by Flip

Firstly FUCK THE AA.

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Amen. Very little of what they publish seems to be based on any hard evidence. A whole lot of editorial opinion gets printed as 'facts' a common media trend these days.

**R650R** · 28th March 2015, 21:14

Originally Posted by Tazz

If they want to go down that road they should be bleating about bloody HG vehicles first and foremost as they are the most retarded and unsafe vehicles on the road according to the 'stats'. That article makes irresponsible truck drivers to just be good guys trying to pay the bills rather than the incompetent asshats they have to be to crash the way they do.

What stats are those??? Don't bother I'm not waiting to see them... Twat.

**neels** · 28th March 2015, 21:38

NZ has, relatively speaking, shit roads because the population is too small to pay for good roads, if we could afford good roads then we'd be driving in the shit traffic that I experienced when I was in England on good roads, good luck getting anywhere near the speed limit in constant traffic congestion.

As for suv's being the biggest problem on the road, retired baby boomers in either motor homes or stupid little old people hatchbacks are the biggest impediment to forward progress I encounter on the road these days, coupled with the usual ignorant kiwi attitude of must not let the following vehicle pass makes for much stupid

**Reckless** · 28th March 2015, 23:23

Originally Posted by neels

good luck getting anywhere near the speed limit in constant traffic congestion.

I'm guessing "just around the corner" is not in Auckland.
This city is screwed by 40 years of doing nothing and they'll never fix it IMHO

**Tazz** · 29th March 2015, 01:53

Originally Posted by R650R

What stats are those??? Don't bother I'm not waiting to see them... Twat.

Have a google if you can put down your pie for long enough. Do a better effort than your security camera system pricing attempts though

I take it you must be one of the accident prone truckles to take offence to that? If you're not crashing, not securing your load, not falling asleep at the wheel etc etc like a retard, you're not a problem.

**Tazz** · 29th March 2015, 02:23

Originally Posted by Akzle

the problem being, theyre 'compensating' for poor vehicle design and fighting physics.
Take one for a thrash on gravel and all those 'aids' become irrelevant. Because physics.
Also, gay as shit to pay to repair/place sensors because your car went gay.
If it cant be fixed with a hammer, spanners and a screwdriver, its fucking useless 80% of the places i drive.
then youre bad at driving.
giz a turn oi.

again. Youre bad at driving.
I'll measure my penis against yours by challenging you to a race: shitarse farmhack ute vs your harriet.

Usually agree with you but after having owned two utes you're fucking dreaming if you think they handle better than a modern AWD SUV.
My last ute would lose traction tractoring up the hill in 3rd, sometimes 4th with no load on. They are not designed to do anything well other than carrying shit.
I'm talking actual flat deck ute and not some well side piece of shit.

You're on. Bring it on down. I've got the ruler out and the scones in the oven

Won't claim to be the worlds best driver but I'm not the worst.

Some of those traction control aids are almost as good as diff locks offroad with the way they brake individual wheels and rally cars have had traction control, track cars have a big mix depending on class. ABS is circumstantial. Some shit is gimmicky and I prefer simpler cars, mainly because I can fix shit myself, but most of it works for everyday average Joe driving.
Man they took a lot of it back out of rally cars because it worked too well and drivers needed less skill to get the same results (also due to cost). I know I'd much rather someone like Cassina behind the wheel of something with all the aids, heh, there are than blatting around in an old Datsun.

**Akzle** · 29th March 2015, 05:39

Originally Posted by Tazz

Usually agree with you but after having owned two utes you're fucking dreaming if you think they handle better than a modern AWD SUV.

i didnt claim that, just that i could skid sikker in a ute than you could an suv.
Unladen flatdecks need a bit of ballast.

Some of those traction control aids are almost as good as diff locks offroad with the way they brake individual wheels

thats nowhere near as good as a diff lock. Diff locks dont brake anything.
And what happens when youre wading 2ft of water or smash your sensors off?
Go into 'limp mode' (harhar) and take it to a dealer to fix.

Yes, ive seen competent auto wankwank fourbys 'froading. Yes, they get through some shit without the driver having to put down her latte.
Still never buy one.

And id rather cassina had a busa. S/he'd either learn something (/tui) or be removed from the equation.

**Tazz** · 29th March 2015, 07:24

Originally Posted by Akzle

i didnt claim that, just that i could skid sikker in a ute than you could an suv.
Unladen flatdecks need a bit of ballast.

thats nowhere near as good as a diff lock. Diff locks dont brake anything.
And what happens when youre wading 2ft of water or smash your sensors off?
Go into 'limp mode' (harhar) and take it to a dealer to fix.

Yes, ive seen competent auto wankwank fourbys 'froading. Yes, they get through some shit without the driver having to put down her latte.
Still never buy one.

And id rather cassina had a busa. S/he'd either learn something (/tui) or be removed from the equation.

All good then

Yeah I realize that, but still pretty awesome considering it's not it's main function at all,l and it's cheaper than a diff lock =D
Same thing that happens with your comparable '4x4' gets wet. If an SUV is to useless to offroad because of electrics then how are 4x4's any better now? Even the 70 Series, which is one of the last 'basic' ones ECU most likely isn't any higher than that. An old Safari even has it in the passenger foot well.
A hard case transfer box equipped Subaru Leone won't even survive that. 100+ series is out too and Surf factory breathers for your rear diff is sitting in the chassis at that height from memory.
Water is not a good argument

There are plenty of other things they hands down do better but other older vehicles are not as bulletproof as you make out.

I'm not going out of my way to get one, other than the weight and height advantages for towing, so I don't actually really care all that much, honest haha, was the reporting way that hit the nerve.

**R650R** · 29th March 2015, 08:45

Originally Posted by Tazz

I take it you must be one of the accident prone truckles to take offence to that? If you're not crashing, not securing your load, not falling asleep at the wheel etc etc like a retard, you're not a problem.

Yeah I guess that must look real bad next to Car Drivers -unrestrained children, drink driving, drugged driving, unlicensed driving, illegal street racing... and more, could prob apply to motorcyclists as a road use group too... and then there's pedestrians...
Truck crashes are spectacular so a portion of them make good front page news when nothing else is available to sell papers to self righteous morons who can then self congratulate themselves on what great riders they are before they peel out on any Sunday and lose the front end on a patch of gravel at roadworks aye.....