When You're Hot

[Keystone19]

Im ok, but got a call from the docs telling me to come back in. They took another look at the Xrays and think i've now broken something.
So no riding for me for a while

Hey Phoenix, really sorry to hear that mate. Take care of yourself and we'll see you back out there real soon.

Cheers
Jill

[Gremlin]

Stuff here...

Pull out, moving up behind him, strange.. OH SHIT car waiting to turn to the right over the centre lane a little bit.

Heres me bout 120k, by the drivers door of this truck, car where i was intending to cross back over the centre line.

Stuff here as well...

Well, lets assess...

You overtook on a blind rise (assuming because you couldn't see the car until you came over the rise) and you assumed the state of the road... tsk tsk.

Won't jump all over you like a kangaroo, but I hope you aren't going to do that again??

[Right Charlie]

Well, lets assess...

You overtook on a blind rise (assuming because you couldn't see the car until you came over the rise) and you assumed the state of the road... tsk tsk.

Won't jump all over you like a kangaroo, but I hope you aren't going to do that again??

Was it Exciting? hell yeah
Did i get a buzz from the near Death? Hell yeah
Did i scare the shit out of my mate following? Think So
Will i do it again? ummm... nah sheel be right mate.

This bit of road for those familier,

Coatsville highway, heading up it, after youve come out of river head and gone over the bridge, this was on the bit of road after the big right hander.

[SPman]

Some good tips here as well
http://www.sportrider.com/ride/RSS/146_0304_rss/
http://www.sportrider.com/ride/RSS/146_0102_rss/

[mikey]

when im hot,











i go surfing.

[Phenoix]

Hey Phoenix, really sorry to hear that mate. Take care of yourself and we'll see you back out there real soon.

Cheers
Jill

Well I now have a cast. Boss wasnt impressed. 6 Weeks
Not able to store my bike at Kittyhawks place now, So looks like its store outside now at my place.
Probably get it back this weekend.
SO Im stuck to driving a cage round Tho its going to coniced with be being able to afford to fix the bike and new safteys

[justsomeguy]

Well I now have a cast. Boss wasnt impressed. 6 Weeks
Not able to store my bike at Kittyhawks place now, So looks like its store outside now at my place.
Probably get it back this weekend.
SO Im stuck to driving a cage round Tho its going to coniced with be being able to afford to fix the bike and new safteys

Hey mate

Anything you walk away from is all good.

Also if I remember correctly you got a company cage too eh?? It's great to have other means of transport.

Look forward to catching up with you on some rides when you're ready

[2_SL0]

Im far from wise on this situation. My own thoughts and experiences are when going into a corner if I suddenly get the feeling Im going in to hot, I will brake hard into the corner leaving it very late and then drop the bike in late. Proberly not the best description, but it means braking right up to the apex and then dropping in. As for being in mid corner and realising Im going to fast. If Im calm
and concentrating I will lean more, look where I wanna go and smoothly apply gas. Telling a newbie to apply rear brake, move his weight etc just wont work. Its a split second moment. It is very hard to learn not to grab a big handful of brake. I personally feel you will learn this lesson either the hard painful way (land on your arse) or the scary way you come out the corner. (But a new shade of white)
I can still remember my last scary moment. I will freely admit it all went out the window for a split second and I reached for the brake. Its ingrained into us, its very hard to break. As a newb, you just need to try and lean more to begin with and DONT touch the brake.

[The Stranger:Me]

I will freely admit it all went out the window for a split second and I reached for the brake. Its ingrained into us, its very hard to break. As a newb, you just need to try and lean more to begin with and DONT touch the brake.

Yeah you are quite right, it is hard to condition yourself not to just go for the brake.

There are 2 important things there though.
1) Knowing what to do.
2) Conditioning

If you haven't got number 1 you may as well kiss it all good bye and as for number 2 if you always ride the way you should then it becomes an automatic reaction. ie if you always countersteer even when you don't need to, in an emergency you will probably countersteer.

[SlowHand]

Quite often in a cage I come off the gas or go for the brakes when not thinking. Then a fraction after that, I hit the gas and try and pull my ass back in line. Im never fully going for it on the road, so I have that little in reserve. Would this work on a bike? say ur going in a little too hot, not holy shit, im gona die. I dont want to experiment yet.

[XP@]

Quite often in a cage I come off the gas or go for the brakes when not thinking. Then a fraction after that, I hit the gas and try and pull my ass back in line. Im never fully going for it on the road, so I have that little in reserve. Would this work on a bike? say ur going in a little too hot, not holy shit, im gona die. I dont want to experiment yet.

Not advisable...
Coming off the gas will de-stabilise the bike
Hitting the brakes could cause you to a sudden lack of traction causing one or both wheels to slide out from under you. (Low side crash)
Gassing it may cause a gain in traction. (high side crash (painful))

Would your technique work in a car if you were on a gravel, ice or other slippy surface? nope, you would be spinning out of controll.

"Slow in, Fast out" works for both cars and bikes.

[SlowHand]

Didnt quite say that right. I meant i come off the gas etc when not thinking, and then when my brain switches on I feed the gas in.

When I did my rally course last year, I hit a rut at about 120/130kmh in a mirage, the back came out, and I had to do a brake, gas, turn, brake, gas, turn thing so I could turn the corner, bring the back in line, and slow down for the corner. My heart was pounding afterwards and I was extremly lucky that it happened going up a hill, and the tires had more grip in them.

So my real question is, is there any room for mistakes and corrections on a bike when things are starting to heat up?

[FROSTY:Me]

From talking to a few people on the rides I see a common issue which I think presents an oppertunity for some of the more experienced to assist those with less experience.

So to set the scene.
You are out on a KB ride and there are a bunch of experienced guys up the front having their fun. You are on your 250 young and bulletproof trying desperately to keep up. You know it is futile as LooseBruce overtakes you at 140kmh on one wheel and disappears around the next bend (had to keep it real aye). That next bend happens to be a right hander, and you just saw LB take it at 170+ so you can do it at 140 no doubt.
Or can you?
You enter the bend and realise that hey it is tighter than you thought and hell who put all that camber there. Hey shit look how close the edge of the seal is Yikes! you roll off the throttle hoping for enough decalleration at about the same time as you go tense bracing for the crash but you are still running wide. You keep an eye on that seal edge, after all that is the danger isn't it, that is what is going to trip you up.

I invite others to complete the storey, but lets keep at least a modicom of reality aye.

I keep rereading and rereading this thinking --well how WOULD I react not ego -well ya know the right answer in theory.
So I went out to find out on the great white whate (FJ1200)
First thing I realised is I have a fucken big wide chicken strip down my back.
The second thing was I tend to set myself up for worst case senario.
On a right hander I ease to the left as I'm approaching the corner and on a left hander im hogging the center lane.
So --Ive gone in too hot and yep its a decreasing radius corner-stantd the bike up for a moment and grab some brakes. In that 10m crossing to the oposite side of the lane Ive washed off 30km/h.
Then back on the power enough to load up the frame --and LEEAAAN --
In the case of the whale its--jump off the side of the bike using a block and tackle to pull it over in a corner
I tried to follow the exact senario CaM pictured and I just diddnt have the balls to do it

[ZorsT]

The senario CaM put on the board happened to me a few days ago. Except Instead of trying to keep up with someone, I had decided to not slow down for a right hand corner.

As soon as I started leaning, I knew I was going too fast for my comfort. I remember seeing the edge of the road come closer and closer, it dropped about 3 inches to just grass. Thoughts like "fuck this" were flying through my mind.

As I was tensing up, I realised I was doing everything wrong.

Remembering what I had read here, and what I learnt at a recent course...
I flicked my head up. Instead of looking at the looming edge of death, I looked where I wanted to go.
I pushed with my right arm.

I made it out of the corner EASY.

[The Stranger:Me]

Man I doubt many of us could actually set it up. Your mind just wont let you do it. And if it did it would already be planning the escape whether or not you wanted it to.

It is the surprise that is the danger element.