WOF for new motorcycles

[pritch]

But WOFs are an outdated piece of bullshit, we're one of the few countries still doing them.

On the contrary the European parliament was in the process of passing laws to enact a "super warrant" which would have banned virtually all modifications to any bike. The actual detail of the thing hadn't even been completed but it was just passing through the system to become law. Brit bikers heard about it and whipped up resistance and it was stopped. The legislation hasn't died though, it is just laying low. It is believed that a German company that does warrant type work throughout Europe was pushing it via their tame politicians. Neither the company nor the politicians have gone anywhere.

If something like that was passed to cover all the EEC countries some underemployed dickhead here might sit up and take notice, next thing we could have it too.

[Scuba_Steve]

On the contrary the European parliament was in the process of passing laws to enact a "super warrant" which would have banned virtually all modifications to any bike. The actual detail of the thing hadn't even been completed but it was just passing through the system to become law. Brit bikers heard about it and whipped up resistance and it was stopped. The legislation hasn't died though, it is just laying low. It is believed that a German company that does warrant type work throughout Europe was pushing it via their tame politicians. Neither the company nor the politicians have gone anywhere.

If something like that was passed to cover all the EEC countries some underemployed dickhead here might sit up and take notice, next thing we could have it too.

Well considering it's the same German company that MTA are selling VTNZ to now it doesn't make them as much cash moneys with this new legislation don't rule it out

[Ocean1]

IMHO, the Wof issue appears to be a way for tptb to address their basic "duty of care" and be seen as doing the right thing for the masses.

Who told them they had any such "duty"?

The function of government is not to "save us from ourselves", that's reserved for religion, where we can ignore any such bullshit at our leisure.

On the contrary the European parliament was in the process of passing laws to enact a "super warrant" which would have banned virtually all modifications to any bike. The actual detail of the thing hadn't even been completed but it was just passing through the system to become law. Brit bikers heard about it and whipped up resistance and it was stopped. The legislation hasn't died though, it is just laying low. It is believed that a German company that does warrant type work throughout Europe was pushing it via their tame politicians. Neither the company nor the politicians have gone anywhere.

If something like that was passed to cover all the EEC countries some underemployed dickhead here might sit up and take notice, next thing we could have it too.

Oh aye, commercial and ideological forces are forever trying to institute policy based on nothing but their own interests and a light veneer of heavily spun "facts". Don't make it right.

Even a majority acceptance of such bullshit don't make it right, there's enough ineffective regulation based on the old "they orta" effect already. All we can do is focus on trying to prevent any more laws arriving that purport to "benefit everyone" while having no measurable effect other than reducing personal freedoms.

[Gadget1]

[QUOTE=Ocean1;1130850837]Who told them they had any such "duty"?

The function of government is not to "save us from ourselves", that's reserved for religion, where we can ignore any such bullshit at our leisure.



From what is understand, it originated in the old English system where the King was obligated to give protection etc to faithful citizens and has evolved from there.

See page 7 of this:http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/...72&context=dlj

Incidently, I don't necessarily agree with Government duty of care, my comments were an observation.

[R650R]

I bet you'd all be chomping at the bit to point out to first cop on the scene that the other vehicle doesn't have a current WOF if you were in an accident...
Its a bit like drivers licence, doesn't mean at all that you are competent as a driver, just that you performed acceptably in a brief period during a prescribed set of circumstances...

Everything the govt does is to protect us from the lowest common denominator and sadly on your typical bell curve a large part of our society is less than average in many areas.... You only have to watch police tv shows for five minutes to see why we need mandatory checks....
Not a fan of WOF either... why should I buy new tyres for my car just incase a biker pulls out in front of me on a wet road....

[Gadget1]

I bet you'd all be chomping at the bit to point out to first cop on the scene that the other vehicle doesn't have a current WOF if you were in an accident...
Its a bit like drivers licence, doesn't mean at all that you are competent as a driver, just that you performed acceptably in a brief period during a prescribed set of circumstances...

Everything the govt does is to protect us from the lowest common denominator and sadly on your typical bell curve a large part of our society is less than average in many areas.... You only have to watch police tv shows for five minutes to see why we need mandatory checks....
Not a fan of WOF either... why should I buy new tyres for my car just incase a biker pulls out in front of me on a wet road....

I think/hope the cops would see past whether a Wof is in currency or not in the end.

Heh, the lowest common denominator label is far too flash a name for shallow-end-of-the-gene-pool, dragged-up, slack-jawed-idots who drive (loose terminology) on the roads.

[bsasuper]

Yeah. The main prob I see is peeps thinking their bikes are perfectly safe because the current wof says so.

Natures way of keeping the population in check

[FJRider]

... why should I buy new tyres for my car just incase a biker pulls out in front of me on a wet road....

Because ... If your tyres are below the legally required minimum tread depth ... YOU may be held responsible ...


Remember the bit about being able to stop in half the distance of clear road ahead ... ???




But when the dust settles after the prang ... you BOTH may get a ticket.

[FJRider]

I think/hope the cops would see past whether a Wof is in currency or not in the end.

A WOF is valid at the time of testing. Nothing in legislation states it WILL be safe for the FULL period it states on the label. It is the drivers responsibility to ensure it is safe.

[Gadget1]

[QUOTE=FJRider;1130851416]A WOF is valid at the time of testing. Nothing in legislation states it WILL be safe for the FULL period it states on the label. It is the drivers responsibility to ensure it is safe.[/QUOTE


That's why I mentioned the cops seeing past the currency or non currency aspect in the end, ie: The fact it's a current Wof aint worth much if the car's not up to scratch.

[speights_bud]

While I'm here...

Get down to VTNZ and buy your trailer a new plate. Costs about 100 bucks including a year rego (I think it's a year worth)

YOUR TRAILER WILL NOW HAVE 3 YEAR WOF (when you get one) .

Don't take the trailer with you, just pick up the plate on your way home from work. When the lady asks "is it made from new parts?" just smile and say yes m'am.

Of course you'll know trailers are vin exempt.

Plus you'll want to do the responsible thing and take the plate home to fit it with the lights etc before "bringing it back for a WOF later."

Then proceed to go get a 3 year WOF from wherever you please.

Rinse and repeat every 3 years as you'll drop off to annual WOF after that.

Not only does it pay for itself, it saves you the hassle.
"oh fuck need to use the trailer today but it's got no wof AGAIN."


Then (the final step) you just surrender the old plate at your leisure, or flog it off for a box of piss (including whatever remains of the wof period) and hey presto you just saved a mate 100bucks registering his lapsed trailer and scored yourself a doz.

[Ocean1]

Rinse and repeat every 3 years as you'll drop off to annual WOF after that.

Not only does it pay for itself, it saves you the hassle.
"oh fuck need to use the trailer today but it's got no wof AGAIN."

Meh, it's only a few bucks, it's the inconvenience that hurts.

That, and finding your fucking WOF ran out the week before you need to use it. Several years in a row.

[speights_bud]

Meh, it's only a few bucks, it's the inconvenience that hurts.

That, and finding your fucking WOF ran out the week before you need to use it. Several years in a row.

Absofuckinglutely! It's the Time which is the pain In the arse. I haven't paid for a WOF for years now.

Although for most the few bucks is a box of piss every WOF...

[Scuba_Steve]

I hate them from every aspect
It takes money better spent on riding
It takes time better spent riding
It offer's absolutely nothing in return for money [read: extortion]
It fails to do what it claims/implies & the fact LVV certs exist is a clear example of this
It offers no protection of any kind & excuses itself from any responsibility
It's used as a reason for people not to take responsibility for their own vehicles

[R650R]

I think/hope the cops would see past whether a Wof is in currency or not in the end.

Of course they do and so do insurance companies, I'm just highlighting the likely hypocracy that would arise in such circumstances.