Motorcyclist ACC Levy rates 2015-2016 New ACC Support Data Pages / PDFs

[Marmoot]

I couldn't find the data on cyclist (must've overlooked it).
Would still like to know why motorcyclists are pinged with higher levy due to injury cost while cyclists are still zero levied despite having injury cost.

If there is a precedent for a group to be pinged due to their injury cost, why not the others?
And what about those that get injured riding motorcycles to work? Is that funded by earners levy or motorcycle registration levy? Or petrol levy?
Why the levy is not done on driver licensing instead?

[Berries]

My bikes have put me in hospital three times, I have holes all over my legs. scars in my forehead and chin, a big toe that doesn't bend because its been fused solid and titanium screws holding my left wrist together. Two of those accidents were caused by cars and one by me being stupid.

Kind of explains why my levy is so much.

[Scuba_Steve]

So I'm not Pro ACC at all, and I'd sooner it was 100% privatised, ANYONE with more than one bike is probably the same. Paying per vehicle is the most stupid thing when you can't ride more than one at once, cant cause wear and tear to more than one road at a time, can't have more than one accident at a time etc.

Nope, not with you on that. It's the push to privatise that's fucking ACC, I'd rather see it fixed & represent the system it was intended than private insurance; Privatisation would only increase cost & decrease service (& trust me, bad as ACC currently is, private would be worse)

[AllanB]

I will sleep well tonight knowing if I go to work tomorrow and stick a pencil up my nose I will be able to claim ACC for any damage as a work place accident.

[Big Dog]

Nope, not with you on that. It's the push to privatise that's fucking ACC, I'd rather see it fixed & represent the system it was intended than private insurance; Privatisation would only increase cost & decrease service (& trust me, bad as ACC currently is, private would be worse)

Correct. The premise is awesome. The practice is usury.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[GavinB]

I couldn't find the data on cyclist (must've overlooked it).
Would still like to know why motorcyclists are pinged with higher levy due to injury cost while cyclists are still zero levied despite having injury cost.

If there is a precedent for a group to be pinged due to their injury cost, why not the others?
And what about those that get injured riding motorcycles to work? Is that funded by earners levy or motorcycle registration levy? Or petrol levy?
Why the levy is not done on driver licensing instead?

Short answer: Because a bicycle isn't a motor vehicle and therefore when they wipe themselves out it's not a motor vehicle accident... unless there's actually a motor vehicle involved. The same for if a pedestrian gets nailed by a motor vehicle really.

Nothing is ever perfect and a balance always needs to be found. Things could always be fairer and more detailed, but then the costs of administering the system will overtake whatever savings there might be.

For what it's worth, the original post was pleasingly thoughtful and considered.

Gavin

[EmBe]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/jobs/other/...-871179020.htm

$30 from every motorbike registration goes into a motorbike safety fund as you all probably know, well spotted this ad today for advisors to this fund and I'm sure there's many on here with the required relevant knowledge and maybe even a passion for motorbike safety. Spend our money wisely and represent

[Pixie]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/jobs/other/...-871179020.htm

$30 from every motorbike registration goes into a motorbike safety fund as you all probably know, well spotted this ad today for advisors to this fund and I'm sure there's many on here with the required relevant knowledge and maybe even a passion for motorbike safety. Spend our money wisely and represent

Don't get me started on those MSAC cunts.They have $10 million of our money and have done fuck all - fitted a bike with a camera to see "what it's like to be a motorcyclist";flown to Canada to get an "award",and paid Monash university to do some research.

And no one's mentioned AA in this.Below is AA submission to ACC.

The New Zealand Automobile Association (NZAA) welcomes the opportunity to comment onthe proposed 2015/16 Motor Vehicle levies.
The NZAA represents over 1.4 million Members on issues affecting motorists. The NZAA’s
advocacy and policy work mainly focuses on protecting the freedom of choice and rights of
motorists, keeping the cost of motoring fair and reasonable, and enhancing the safety of all
road users. Accordingly, we have a particular interest in the ACC levy because of its safety
and financial implications for all motor vehicle owners.
We make our comments on the ACC proposals under the following headings:
• reduce the combined average motor vehicle levy by 40%
• maintain the petrol levy at 9.90 cents per litre
• maintain the current levies charged to motorcycle and moped owners
• introduce risk rating for light passenger vehicles
• maintain the Motorcycle Safety Levy at $30 per year per motorcycle
• collect a portion of ACC levies on alcohol sales


A. Reduce the combined average Motor Vehicle levy by 40%
In the NZAA’s view, reduced levies have been unjustly denied to motorists for two years in a
row now, so we fully support proposals to reduce the current combined average MotorVehicle by 40%, with a further reduction likely the following year. In light of improvements in
the Motor Vehicle Account, and the deferral of the levy reduction proposed for the 2014/15
year, such a reduction is justified and overdue.






C. Maintain the current levies charged to motorcycle and moped owners
The NZAA supports retaining the current levy for motorcycles and mopeds. Over time we
believe ACC should aim to recover a greater portion of costs from users. So, while most
other vehicle classes are scheduled to pay lower levies in the next financial year, it is
appropriate that motorcycle and moped levies remain at current levels so that riders are
contributing a greater share of motorcycle injury costs and the cross-subsidy from passenger
vehicles is reduced. According to the ACC discussion document, by retaining motorcycle
levies at current levels, the cross-subsidy from passenger vehicle owners will have fallen
from approximately $80 per vehicle just a few years ago, to $24.36. This is to be applauded,
and is an endorsement of the policy to retain motorcycle levies at current levels.
While motorcycle and moped owners may be disappointed that levies are not falling, it is
important that ACC explains to riders that keeping levies unchanged will also account for the
lower petrol tax contribution by motorcycles due to their superior fuel economy, and the
failure by ACC to account for this previously over several years when the petrol tax
component of aggregate motor vehicle levies rose. As noted in section B above, although the
annual amount motorcycles and mopeds contribute in petrol tax is low, it would be necessary
to raise motorcycle and moped licence levies slightly to retain equity if the petrol tax was
reduced 4 cents per litre.


E. Maintain the Motorcycle Safety Levy at $30 per year per licensed motorcycle
The NZAA supports the purpose of the MSL, and retaining the annual charge at $30.
However, as noted in earlier submissions, progress remains slow on approving motorcycle-
specific safety initiatives that have been developed by the Motorcycle Safety Advisory
Council (MSAC). The NZAA supports the work of MSAC, and we commend ACC to support
the MSAC to implement projects they have nominated to be funded by the levy.

[rastuscat]

I couldn't find the data on cyclist (must've overlooked it).
Would still like to know why motorcyclists are pinged with higher levy due to injury cost while cyclists are still zero levied despite having injury cost.

If there is a precedent for a group to be pinged due to their injury cost, why not the others?
And what about those that get injured riding motorcycles to work? Is that funded by earners levy or motorcycle registration levy? Or petrol levy?
Why the levy is not done on driver licensing instead?

It's done because they can. We have to have number plates on our motorcycles, and that provides a process for extracting dosh.

I happen to be a road cyclist too, and I'll resist having number plates until I die. Probably because when I'm riding my bike I'm paying ACC via my motorbike, car, trailers and my wifes car, which are all sitting in my driveway when I'm out cycling, slowly drip feeding money to ACC. The next fecker who says I don't pay my way will be getting a big earful.

[Mike.Gayner]

Every cyclist I know, including myself, has multiple motor vehicles and pays into the worker's account. Fuck people who say cyclists don't pay their share.

[Reckless]

Every cyclist I know, including myself, has multiple motor vehicles and pays into the worker's account. Fuck people who say cyclists don't pay their share.

Dirt bikers, Down hill cycle racers, Skiers, Rugby & league players, heck even motorcyclists, a large % of us have more than one bike and a car, we can all say that.
Still doesn't make fair being singled out, risk assessed and charged more, in what is supposed to be a no fault system when all those other groups aren't?

They could in fact put a small ACC levy on New cycles, Snowboards or MX bikes or Rugby boots depending on the sports risk rating? Do this at import or Manufacturing stage rather than retail where the paperwork and collection is least and costs are easily passed on.

Some groups like grandma falling in the kitchen will always be an overhead but if they charged all chargeable risk groups something you might find we all pay less the load would be spread more and the scheme would be self funding a lot sooner?

They need to get back to Woodhouses "NO Fault" or charge "all Risk groups something" what we have now for bikers is forced mandatory risk based insurance.

[Oakie]

Turns out the ACC levies on bikes are all my fault. This is what the guy who got out of his his car at a blocked up two lane came over and told me today. Both lanes blocked up like a constipated thing and everything stopped without even the red light's intervention so I used the cycle lane to pass a handful of vehicles and get to the front. I saw Mr Grumpy bum get out of his car and storm over to me to tell me I'm the root of all motorcycle mahem then he stormed off before I could come up with a worthy response (apart from beating him across the intersection when the lights finally went green). So sorry guys ... it's all my fault we pay so much ACC. (Yeah, a bit naughty I was, but done with no traffic moving and no cyclists around).

[Marmoot]

Turns out the ACC levies on bikes are all my fault. This is what the guy who got out of his his car at a blocked up two lane came over and told me today. Both lanes blocked up like a constipated thing and everything stopped without even the red light's intervention so I used the cycle lane to pass a handful of vehicles and get to the front. I saw Mr Grumpy bum get out of his car and storm over to me to tell me I'm the root of all motorcycle mahem then he stormed off before I could come up with a worthy response (apart from beating him across the intersection when the lights finally went green). So sorry guys ... it's all my fault we pay so much ACC. (Yeah, a bit naughty I was, but done with no traffic moving and no cyclists around).

Meh, don't take it too seriously.
He probably thought you were me.

[willytheekid]

Turns out the ACC levies on bikes are all my fault. This is what the guy who got out of his his car at a blocked up two lane came over and told me today. Both lanes blocked up like a constipated thing and everything stopped without even the red light's intervention so I used the cycle lane to pass a handful of vehicles and get to the front. I saw Mr Grumpy bum get out of his car and storm over to me to tell me I'm the root of all motorcycle mahem then he stormed off before I could come up with a worthy response (apart from beating him across the intersection when the lights finally went green). So sorry guys ... it's all my fault we pay so much ACC. (Yeah, a bit naughty I was, but done with no traffic moving and no cyclists around).

I KNEW IT HAD TO ONE OF YOU LOT!....

seriously?...he got out of his car because you slowly filtered to the head of the Q?...

(I understand the cycle lane being a no go etc...but jebus!...cyclist "protecting his patch" possibly?)

[Oakie]

I KNEW IT HAD TO ONE OF YOU LOT!....

seriously?...he got out of his car because you slowly filtered to the head of the Q?...

(I understand the cycle lane being a no go etc...but jebus!...cyclist "protecting his patch" possibly?)

He was just a bit pissed I guess because it probably took him 5 minutes to get 500 metres and I just rolled up beside him. He probably thought I'd passed the whole mess of vehicles on the cycle lane instead of just the last few. I'll be watching out for him the next few days anyway ...