A visit from the Police

[spudchucka]

Boy howdy there's some crap flyin around this thread tonight.

[scumdog]

Boy howdy there's some crap flyin around this thread tonight.

Quite right - and if people didn't tie up the cops by doing stupid skids the cops would have more time to investigate burglaries etc, eh WINJA?

[dangerous]

But I bet you a packet of chips that your son was doing donuts. And I bet you another packet that, had you seen him do it, you would have been proud.

LMFAO.... same why apart from knowing him, thats what I would have been doing at his age too, but not in the snow in the middle of Sept in Chch tho.... ohhh no that be dangerous

Jimmie, that Mazda Mervin thing that he drives... does it have a limited slip diff??? If so then it is very difficult not to spin a wheel when doing a U turn in shingle, hell my Navara does it on the seal (serious this time) could be a good means of defeance.
Good on him for amiting that he was there, unfortunitly that is his 1st boo boo, I would a said.... never been there sir.

[Sniper]

If so then it is very difficult not to spin a wheel when doing a U turn in shingle, hell my Navara does it on the seal (serious this time) could be a good means of defeance.
Good on him for amiting that he was there, unfortunitly that is his 1st boo boo, I would a said.... never been there sir.

Been there and seen Navara's do it, so I believe you Dangerous! Its funny how one question to ask about a small thing always turns into how bad the cops are.

What sad people. I admit some cops are bad, but to stereotype them is the same as some people stereotyping bikers to be dangerous hooligans.

[dangerous]

Quite right - and if people didn't tie up the cops by doing stupid skids the cops would have more time to investigate burglaries etc, eh WINJA?

Yes I know, but any complaint has to be followed up right? and boys will be boys nothing has ever changed there...... may be I should have got a pic of the hole a 1200 Sportster dug in a paddock on the west coast in Jan this year

BTW yes SC/SD I too get sick of the moaners going on and on about the cops not doing real work

[Marmoot]

Not quite true... When my bikes were stolen, i was called to court as a witness. The courts contacted my employer, found out what my days pay would have been and paid me. cheque was here 3 days after court day

Ha....paid witness!
It is not really a good justice system......

[Lou Girardin]

Ha....paid witness!
It is not really a good justice system......

If you didn't get compensated for lost time, how do you think they'd put juries together.
It's the deals done to get cell mates to give evidence that people should worry about. Scott Watsons trial for one example.

[Rashika]

LMFAO.... same why apart from knowing him, thats what I would have been doing at his age too, but not in the snow in the middle of Sept in Chch tho.... ohhh no that be dangerous

oh SHIT no...you'd NEVER do THAT eh Dangerous...nope NEVER
too damn cold for you to be out in that sorta stuff
yeah fkg right!

how many times was it???

[kerryg]

If you didn't get compensated for lost time, how do you think they'd put juries together.

That's an interesting point. I've been called up for jury duty 3 times, and always got excused because I couldn't afford to be absent from work for a week or more (the most recent one, this year, said that the trial was expected to take up to 2 weeks). My employers won't pay me while I'm sitting on a jury, end of story, and the Courts pay you next to nothing to be a juror. Maybe others can afford to be off work for 2 weeks but I can't, big mortgage etc. And then there's the question of who will do my work when I'm absent.

It's a duty to be a juror, and one I'd actually be really interested to fulfil, and I always felt guilty about getting let off but didn't really have a choice. Makes me wonder how many other people have the dilemma. I'm sure I'm not alone. And so what does the average make-up of a jury look like: a lot of retired people, people who are not in work, etc etc?? If so a jury probably doesn't typically represent a cross-section of the public, and so the system tends to fall down. Maybe the answer is to make jury duty compulsory, so that even if your employer doesn't like it he has to pay you and arrange staff to cover for you while you're absent or preferably, the Court has to pay you what you would have earned had you been at work. I don't know if those are practical solutions but I think there's a definite risk, under the present system, that juries will tend not to represent (to echo Don Brash) mainstream NZ.

[dangerous]

It's the deals done to get cell mates to give evidence that people should worry about. Scott Watsons trial for one example.

Damn right Lou.... I ride with Scott Watsons brother, and it appears theres a lot to be answered there by the police.... weird shit went on, on there behalf

[Lou Girardin]

That's an interesting point. I've been called up for jury duty 3 times, and always got excused because I couldn't afford to be absent from work for a week or more (the most recent one, this year, said that the trial was expected to take up to 2 weeks). My employers won't pay me while I'm sitting on a jury, end of story, and the Courts pay you next to nothing to be a juror. Maybe others can afford to be off work for 2 weeks but I can't, big mortgage etc. And then there's the question of who will do my work when I'm absent.

It's a duty to be a juror, and one I'd actually be really interested to fulfil, and I always felt guilty about getting let off but didn't really have a choice. Makes me wonder how many other people have the dilemma. I'm sure I'm not alone. And so what does the average make-up of a jury look like: a lot of retired people, people who are not in work, etc etc?? If so a jury probably doesn't typically represent a cross-section of the public, and so the system tends to fall down. Maybe the answer is to make jury duty compulsory, so that even if your employer doesn't like it he has to pay you and arrange staff to cover for you while you're absent or preferably, the Court has to pay you what you would have earned had you been at work. I don't know if those are practical solutions but I think there's a definite risk, under the present system, that juries will tend not to represent (to echo Don Brash) mainstream NZ.

Here bloody here. Then we may get more common sense verdicts.

[spudchucka]

Mark Lundy supporters have a web site full of conspiracy theories too.

http://www.lundytruth.co.nz/

Then of course there is David Bain, Leslley Martin etc etc etc. The police got it wrong in these case too despite the numerous appeal decisions saying that they got it right.

[mikey]

Just a side note (dont know how legit the ticket is) but I'm pretty sure that he can get the hearing moved to the court in chch.

ah just a side note

to get it transfered you have to say you will put in a guilty plea.

[dangerous]

Mark Lundy supporters have a web site full of conspiracy theories too.

http://www.lundytruth.co.nz/

Then of course there is David Bain, Leslley Martin etc etc etc. The police got it wrong in these case too despite the numerous appeal decisions saying that they got it right.

Should you decide to read the link I posted Spud (asuming you arnt allready up with the play on that one) then do so with an open mind.... I have no idea if he did it or not but knowing what I do there was some bloody dodgy shit done by the police, and by saying that I arnt taring all police with the same brush... it only takes one or two.

[Ixion]

That's an interesting point. I've been called up for jury duty 3 times, and always got excused because I couldn't afford to be absent from work for a week or more (the most recent one, this year, said that the trial was expected to take up to 2 weeks). ..

It's a duty to be a juror, and one I'd actually be really interested to fulfil, and I always felt guilty about getting let off but didn't really have a choice. Makes me wonder how many other people have the dilemma. I'm sure I'm not alone. And so what does the average make-up of a jury look like: a lot of retired people, people who are not in work, etc etc?? ...

I have very little faith in the jury system, since I actually was on one about 5 years ago. I've been called up quite a few times over the years, but always in the past got excused because of work. But that time, a new and idealistic boss said - "no no you should do it, civic duty, doesn't look good for us to be seeking exemptions etc ". And I got paid anyway , so OK (he heartily regretted it when he found I was going to be away for 2 weeks solid - he thought it would be a day or two!).

But the other members of the jury that I was on were far from impressive. Half a dozen retired souls, neither cerebral nor wordly wise. One clued up guy, the rest students or unemployed. One of the unemployed was a VERY stroppy maori woman who dominated the proceedings by sheer bitchery. She told us all (in no uncertain terms) that none of the evidence mattered , because "she scould see auras", and the victim had a brown aura , which meant that she was a liar. And the accused had a blue aura which meant that he was good.

And the really sad thing is that by and large this is what determined the verdict. Some went with her because they were afraid of her, some because they believed her hocus pocus, and some (myself included) because at least it was injustice in the right side - ie not finding an innocent person guilty, and the accused was not really a bad sort, just a guy who had gotten tangled up in something he didn't intend. But it was very far from serving the interests of justice.

I still think that technically it was guilty, but I wasn't interested in holding out for a lost cause. Which would only have had the effect of either the same as a not guilty verdict, or of putting all those concerned through it all again. And I also felt that the police had been rather over zealous in charging the guy in the first place (it was a "domestic " type thing, but not the usual nasty sort of one, they were both good people who had lost the plot for a bit, counselling would have been a better option).

[ I probably should put in a caveat - I'm of open mind about the whole aura-Kirlian photography etc thing - I just don't believe that woman was any more than a fake]