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    Just scribble someone else's name over the top of yours on the ticket, go to court and claim that "Katman got off a ticket like this once".

    It's bound to work.

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    fight it oi. the more of the cops' time you waste, the less time he's spending collecting donut vouchers.
    write HEAPS and don't bother replying unless they address EVERY point in your letters. find every minute little bitch manoeuvre. just waste their time. all of it.

    I,m on you with this one.....another cop going to court means less tickets handed out to the rest of us....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin View Post

    No one has been able to answer the question of whether radar readings are kept. Has anyone fought the law and lost?
    The cop will have written your speed on the ticket, and that's probably the only record and all the proof that's needed. In court it will be accepted as if it was written on a stone tablet. Unless you had some proof that you weren't speeding - and that does not seem to be the case, you will not win.

    I successfully defended my last traffic offence notice in court, but it wasn't speeding. Usually there's nothing you can say to a speeding ticket. Nothing that makes sense anyway, and almost certainly nothing that will be believed.

    One of KB's resident used the signature line, "Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". That seems appropriate here.
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    Consider this.

    If I see someone driving while not wearing a seatbelt, I write them a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

    My word is the only evidence.

    How else can it work? And please don't tell me to video everything, as the legal system couldn't cope with all the stuff I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post

    You might have a chance in front of a judge with good evidence, but to win against police in front of JPs?


    So, how do you explain the case of Bryan McHerron who won in front of TWO JPs in the Rangiora District Court? See my post #26 for further info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Consider this.

    If I see someone driving while not wearing a seatbelt, I write them a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

    My word is the only evidence.

    How else can it work? And please don't tell me to video everything, as the legal system couldn't cope with all the stuff I see.


    Jin's case is about radar evidence though. See post #26 for further info on court rulings etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    it's amazing how the cops story/attitude can change when you point out the camera recording everything
    .......and it's equally amazing how fast a mouth shuts when we show them a video of them going through a red light, after they have spent 15 minutes lambasting us for revenue collecting, wasting their time, making shit up.

    Video is good, just impractical within the current legal system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget1 View Post
    Jin's case is about radar evidence though. See post #26 for further info on court rulings etc.
    I'm hearing you, but the principle remains the same. If a cop says he saw something, it's generally not made up.

    Why would we make it up? It's not like there s a shortage of people actually committing offences. What would be the motivation for taking the risk of losing your career by making stuff up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Consider this.

    If I see someone driving while not wearing a seatbelt, I write them a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

    My word is the only evidence.

    How else can it work? And please don't tell me to video everything, as the legal system couldn't cope with all the stuff I see.
    Clearly some sort of seatbelt indicator light needs to be fitted to the roof of all vehicles, linked through a satellite network which logs and collates all data. And this is overseen by an independent authority of nuns.

    now we just need a solution in case the nuns are lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I'm hearing you, but the principle remains the same. If a cop says he saw something, it's generally not made up.

    Why would we make it up? It's not like there s a shortage of people actually committing offences. What would be the motivation for taking the risk of losing your career by making stuff up?
    Apparently its worth it For a $80 ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodrog View Post
    Apparently its worth it For a $80 ticket.
    Is there a shortage of people using cellphones while driving? Do we really need to make that up?

    If we were going to make shit up, it sure wouldn't be $80. I'd be making up some decent ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    What would be the motivation for taking the risk of losing your career by making stuff up?
    You should ask Colin Randle Mower that very question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I'm hearing you, but the principle remains the same. If a cop says he saw something, it's generally not made up.

    Why would we make it up? It's not like there s a shortage of people actually committing offences. What would be the motivation for taking the risk of losing your career by making stuff up?


    Probably due to the generally word in "it's generally not made up". People get things wrong, people/cops lie, lawyers make a living out of the beyond reasonable doubt standard of evidence etc.

    About risking careers, 64 cops were charged with offences in the years 2009-2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Video is good, just impractical within the current legal system.
    Could you elaborate on this? I can't see in this day & age with cheap small detailed cameras why we should still rely on dodgy testament from an "eye witness" with vested interest

    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Why would we make it up? It's not like there s a shortage of people actually committing offences. What would be the motivation for taking the risk of losing your career by making stuff up?
    Quota's was 1 reason... Sorry KPI's. But then what risk??? as people have said, cop walks in other guys guilty regardless of facts or legislation

    Plus there's always donuts & toasters which tend to be an incentive to do so
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    3 possibilities.
    1 you were speeding and knew it. Take your hand off it long enough to get your wallet out and pay a fair tax for your actions.
    2 you were speeding and did not know. More fool you for not knowing. Take your hand off it long enough to get your wallet out and pay your tax and learn from the experience.
    3 you genuinely were not speeding or have a legally defensible position for speeding. Write some letters, provide some evidence or accept you are back on point 1.



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