Video evidence - Pros and cons

[Big Dog]

ftp. that is all.

Yep, most modern cameras can live FTP the footage to a common store but the data charges are horrendous.


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[Big Dog]

gopro are gay as shit and watching anything filmed on them gives me a headache.

What happened to "that is all"!


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[Big Dog]

It's be interesting. Like, when the JPs asked you to provide video of yourself not committing the offence at the time the Popo says you did.

That would be an alibi.


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[scumdog]

Yep, most modern cameras can live FTP the footage to a common store but the data charges are horrendous.


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Yep, as I said before, the costs are a big reason that the 5-0 haven't got cameras yet.

[Big Dog]

http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/paulh...as-bring-it-on. I have seen a cop wearing one in Henderson or New Lynn.

They are starting to proliferate but there are still questions.


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[Big Dog]

Therein lies the key.

Sworn oral testimony is evidence. It's just a fact of law.

Most people who defend themselves just want to make an "I'm innocent" speech, instead of giving sworn testimony. The JPs take account of that, and give more weight to the sworn evidence of the cop.

Of course, most people who do give sworn evidence get made to look silly by any half educated prosecutor, but that's the risk you take.

As I might add, do some cops who are so arrogant they get into the box expecting to just turn up and win.

With any physical evidence there are chain of custody questions.

Another technical issue to overcome. Once upon a time it was said the camera never lies, people do.
Now you can "photoshop" live feeds.


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[AllanB]

I'm not comfortable with the video the shit out of everything life we are heading towards. Strongly dislike the Google glasses concept - some Cu#t recording me having a coffee, or picking my nose.

But what's the worst I get up to? Pop a wheelie maybe - spin the rear tyres on the XR6 occasionally.


Red light running in Christchurch is horrific - on Monday night Mrs B was abused by the driver behind her for stopping at the lights! Fucking agro CHCH people.

[Akzle]

Monday night Mrs B was abused by the driver behind her for stopping at the lights! Fucking agro CHCH people.

that city should be flattened!

[Jin]

Interesting question. I think you need to question the basis of issuing fines in the first place. Yes they can be a deterrent. But is it really necessary to ensure that someone pays a cost for breaches of traffic laws? Some police can be zealous in issuing money orders and it has no relation to traffic safety. In some cases its just an observation that some citizen broke the rules therefore they should pay a price.

Cameras are important to firstly protect citizens from the police. And to have evidence of a crime being committed. A real crime. Not someone going 5km over the speed limit.

[Scuba_Steve]

Red light running in Christchurch is horrific - on Monday night Mrs B was abused by the driver behind her for stopping at the lights! Fucking agro CHCH people.

Intersections in chch are horrific - there's more than a few light controlled intersections where the only way through since they retarded the giveway rule is to run a red

[rastuscat]

Interesting question. I think you need to question the basis of issuing fines in the first place. Yes they can be a deterrent. But is it really necessary to ensure that someone pays a cost for breaches of traffic laws? Some police can be zealous in issuing money orders and it has no relation to traffic safety. In some cases its just an observation that some citizen broke the rules therefore they should pay a price.

Cameras are important to firstly protect citizens from the police. And to have evidence of a crime being committed. A real crime. Not someone going 5km over the speed limit.

It's about effective behaviour change, and providing an incentive for someone not to commit potentially trauma promoting infringements.

If I could put a pill in the water which caused everyone to wear their seatbelts, that'd be cool. In the meantime, all we have is tickets. Not even any demerits.

What disincentive would you suggest? Suggest something practical though. I can suggest a few that might not be legal, but would sure work. E.g. smashing the cellphones of anyone we find using them.

[nzspokes]

E.g. smashing the cellphones of anyone we find using them.

Oh fuck yes.

Facebook doesnt need the update about the bad motorcyclist that gave you the finger because you were fucking about with a cell phone and almost hit him.

[Akzle]

It's about effective behaviour change, and providing an incentive for someone not to commit potentially trauma promoting infringements.

oh yes. effective since..... when did we ditch the mot again??

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If I could put a pill in the water which caused everyone to wear their seatbelts, that'd be cool. In the meantime, all we have is tickets. Not even any demerits.

okay, so, i have no license, a warrant for my arrest, still drive with no seatbelt, aaaaaaand... nothing. actually. i don't drive in to shit.
fuck away with your hitler shit. why not
"if we could put a pill in the water to which caused everyone TO NOT FUCKING DRIVE INTO SHIT"
huh? surely a better solution?

What disincentive would you suggest? Suggest something practical though. I can suggest a few that might not be legal, but would sure work. E.g. smashing the cellphones of anyone we find using them.

only IF, some other breach of etiquette.
i text all the time, bitches love textin (and i love bitches). i be textin my ass off. matter of fact my weed man dont like to be on the phone a whole lot so i text him.

txting while driving ISNT dangerous.
txting while looking for cops, while driving is.

disincentive? like any of your shit has changed any of anyone's behaviour? ever?
shirley if "the law" worked, crime would be all finished now?

[R650R]

No offence to you Rastus and your colleagues but this is one underlying attitude you see, hear and overhear from cops at times; that it's too much effort/hours to catch offender X and that the courts will likely throw it out.
Police say they are not into revenue gathering but still base their efforts on time invested vs results. Look at New York, the turn around when they went into zero tolerance mode, it worked in long run.
Can you imagine paramedic so fire operating the same way, oh that crash sounded bad, they'll all be gonners we wont bother going or fire rocking up and yep that house is toast wont bother trying to save the other half.

Soon our smartphones will be the GPS guided policeman in our pocket anyway, and that will be a bitter pill to swallow, your technogadget auto deducting fines from your account as you speed to work.

Back to main topic, I agree video is cumbersome to manage. There are many smartphone photo apps now though that can trigger filming based on sound or vibration, you could just shout 'offender' at right moment and get short clip. I don't think you need to worry about courts demanding video, they are still accepting good ol fashioned evidence in other crime areas where shop or street cctv could be available.
One thing I'd like to see is these self appointed citizen dash cam heroes hand over all their footage of their driving, not just the select clips that makes the news....

Given the appetite for Police reality TV shows these days there is also the option to sub contract the filming. That would eliminate the paperwork for you, just issue the ION and if the offender disputes it you call up the cameraman as an independent witness in court, which being a professional videographer would be bulletproof.

[Erelyes]

gopro are gay as shit and watching anything filmed on them gives me a headache.

Youtube has this 'camera shake fix' thing you can tick when you upload a video. It basically does some post-processing to try and make people sensitive to motion sickness hurl as quickly as possible. Whomever decided it was a good idea can eat a buffet of dicks.

Except in traffic offenses, where you are guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.

*buzzer* wrong. You are not 'guilty until proven innocent', you are 'charged with an alleged offence until proven innocent'. Just like any. other. offence. The only difference is, you don't have to go to court to plead guilty and be sentenced, you can just pay the fixed fine and move along. Or you can deny the offence and have your day in court just like anything else.