Unbelieveable Courage.

**El Dopa** · 22nd September 2005, 19:25

Well, according to this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...575439,00.html

The hatches were open becuase the periscopes had already been smashed, and the petrol bomb got in past the guy standing in the top hatch.

**Sniper** · 22nd September 2005, 19:42

Originally Posted by El Dopa

Well, according to this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...575439,00.html

The hatches were open becuase the periscopes had already been smashed, and the petrol bomb got in past the guy standing in the top hatch.

And thats what I said might have happened...........

**TwoSeven** · 22nd September 2005, 20:07

That sounds like a more plausible story, but I still have the problem with armoured glass in the scopes being busted. Sods law says that the hatch was left open when it shouldnt have been, a fire bomb got lobbed in, it filled up with smoke and they panic'd because its a tankers worst nightmare being burned alive in a tin can.

**Biff** · 22nd September 2005, 22:08

Originally Posted by Sniper

You know that most the pommy army are poofta's now? (No offence Biff).

Farcough! That's the worlds finest fighting force you're talking about there.

Trust me mate, you wouldn't even consider approaching your senior officer in the Brit army telling him you don't want to go where you're being told that you are going. Instant prison & court martial in most cases. Far too risky having a jelly fish being sent on a mission. Those sorts are weeded out during the initial 13 week 'square bashing'.

Alledgedly.

**Sniper** · 23rd September 2005, 08:46

Originally Posted by Biff

Farcough! That's the worlds finest fighting force you're talking about there.

Trust me mate, you wouldn't even consider approaching your senior officer in the Brit army telling him you don't want to go where you're being told that you are going. Instant prison & court martial in most cases. Far too risky having a jelly fish being sent on a mission. Those sorts are weeded out during the initial 13 week 'square bashing'.

Alledgedly.

Don't worry, I was just fishing. I admire the way event the welsh rigorously protect the british army. They are by far one of the best and most experienced fighting forces in the world. Not as good as NZ, but close!

**Pixie** · 23rd September 2005, 11:27

Originally Posted by Sniper

True they do have laminates ect in them, but that does not stop the heat from a fire coming in. And if those did have a internal fire fighting system, it would have done fuck all to stop a molotov as most molotovs are petroleum based and therefore would just make matters worse.

I worked on our LAVs and M113's so I know how they are built and where their weaknesses are. I won't admit to being an expert on ALL armoured vehicles but they all relate to one another.

If all you need to disable a military vehicle is to set fire to it ,I think there are a lot of sucker governments paying millions of bucks for junk

**Sniper** · 23rd September 2005, 11:30

Originally Posted by Pixie

If all you need to disable a military vehicle is to set fire to it ,I think there are a lot of sucker governments paying millions of bucks for junk

You underestimate the power of a mob AND a scout vehicle.

**jrandom** · 23rd September 2005, 11:34

Originally Posted by Pixie

If all you need to disable a military vehicle is to set fire to it ,I think there are a lot of sucker governments paying millions of bucks for junk

true, covering many light armored vehicles in flaming gasoline would most likely reduce their effectiveness. you have to get it on there first, though.

and its therefore a truism that armor is worth much less in urban environments than it is in open terrain. every tankers worst nightmare is a bunch of guys on foot popping out from around a corner without warning toting explosives and incendiaries.

in the desert there are no corners.

I refer you to the progress of the allies in normandy in 1944. ability of german infantry to dig in around the bocage made painfully slow progress with foot infantry in the lead a necessity and somewhat stymied the initial strategic advance plan.

hence the doctrine of mutual support between armor and infantry. Rommel had it all figured out 70 years ago.

tanks are at their best with room to move.

hasnt changed too much from the old horse calvalry days, really. choose a tool that fits the job.

**MisterD** · 23rd September 2005, 11:42

Originally Posted by Pixie

If all you need to disable a military vehicle is to set fire to it ,I think there are a lot of sucker governments paying millions of bucks for junk

Did you see the interview with the crew how cool and understated? The Warrior was retrieved and was pretty much ok but "A bit hot to the touch"....

**Lou Girardin** · 23rd September 2005, 11:53

Originally Posted by Fish

I refer you to the progress of the allies in normandy in 1944. ability of german infantry to dig in around the bocage made painfully slow progress with foot infantry in the lead a necessity and somewhat stymied the initial strategic advance plan.

Until they fitted the Shermans with glorified hayrakes made from railway iron to the front and ploughed through the hedgerows.
Still had to face the 88's though.

**Ixion** · 23rd September 2005, 13:15

Originally Posted by Fish

true, covering many light armored vehicles in flaming gasoline would most likely reduce their effectiveness. you have to get it on there first, though.

and its therefore a truism that armor is worth much less in urban environments than it is in open terrain. every tankers worst nightmare is a bunch of guys on foot popping out from around a corner without warning toting explosives and incendiaries.

in the desert there are no corners.

I refer you to the progress of the allies in normandy in 1944. ability of german infantry to dig in around the bocage made painfully slow progress with foot infantry in the lead a necessity and somewhat stymied the initial strategic advance plan.

hence the doctrine of mutual support between armor and infantry. Rommel had it all figured out 70 years ago.

tanks are at their best with room to move.

hasnt changed too much from the old horse calvalry days, really. choose a tool that fits the job.

Gee, respect. Not many chicks are that clued up on matters military

You must be exceptional

**Ixion** · 23rd September 2005, 13:16

Originally Posted by Sniper

Don't worry, I was just fishing. I admire the way event the welsh rigorously protect the british army. They are by far one of the best and most experienced fighting forces in the world. Not as good as NZ, but close!

They always have , since Longshanks brought 'em to heel. Remember Agincourt ?

**Biff** · 23rd September 2005, 13:20

Originally Posted by Ixion

Remember Agincourt ?

Where the Welsh archers invented the V (f off) sign, because the French would attempt to catch the Welsh archers, recognised to be the largest threat that faced their forces, and when they did catch a Welsh archer they'd chop his two fingers off in order to ensure he couldn't use a bow again.