No8 Wire Extraordinaire
And so it begins.
Yes Tazz you are quite right. But there are often accidents on that road with bikes. Guys do get it wrong from inexperienced to the gungho. There will be countless more small errors occurring.
But consequence of one small error just touching the yellow line whilst leaned over having misjudged the corner, not crossing over, will likely cause you to cross over on your side.
It has become more dangerous.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Forum whore
It begun a while back
Yep, more dangerous, however painted lines are already 'dangerous' to bikes. A row of cats eyes is only slightly worse than a freshly painted solid white outer, even if it's not covered in rain.
Moral: Don't touch them while you're unleashing your inner Rossi.
What happens if you do: You hope like hell nothing is coming the other way, just as you would if they weren't there...hence the 'bigger issues' comment if you're already over that far.
Just another hazard on the road to be mindful of and still better than cheese cutters or a solid concrete division.
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
This has been touched on in another thread but who choose the design of the generic bike on the high risk root erm route signs at the bottom? Looks like some Paris Dakkar clone with an odd swingarm that shouldn't work.
Talk about choosing to appeal to your target audience. Do they think Charlie Boorman is a particular risk?
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Forum whore
report it to the motorcycle safety action councilOriginally Posted by F5 Dave
In the riders seat
You really are a special kind of stupid
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
i'm motarded
he must be from the south island.
Forum whore
Fark off. Thats Raoul Island material.
Weekend hooner
I think the rumble strips are a stupid idea. They could potentially make a minor error into a serious crash.
All very well to say don't hit them then but accidents and mistakes happen.
I get out on that hill whenever I can and the accidents I have seen have been inexperienced riders running wide on bends. The rumble strips won't stop that just make it potentially worse.
Hardcore Biker
Am I missing something here? So, there are catseyes on the double yellow lines, but these lines are in the centre of the road. And it's dangerous over there anyway.
If you're going around a left hand corner you'll be apexing on the left hand side of the road, well away from the catseyes and you'll be leaned away from them. Maybe rumble strips on the inside of the road would give you some concern, but surely you won't be riding over there.
If you're going around a right hand corner you will be apexing close to the yellow lines and catseyes, but you'll be leaning over towards the yellow lines/catseyes and if you lose traction you'll lowside and slide to the outside of the curve away from oncoming traffic.
I guess we'll just have to accept that the Dark Side has ruined the 'Takas, and live with it.
You could ride to the conditions - both weather and road. Once over the 'Takas there's other roads to enjoy. Or do your fang over the Paekakariki Hill from the Hutt Valley to the west coast instead. You'll miss out on the pleasures of the Wairarapa, but after a little troll up the crowded west coast highway there's the turn off to Shannon and on up passed Tokomaru, Linton, Massey, right to Aokautere and over the Pahiatua track.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Kinda with you on this Old Steve....
Seriously folks, so these cats eyes are going to be the death of you after a 'minor' crossing of the centre line. I'd have thought the car/truck coming the other way (murphys law theres always something coming when you screw up) would be the major worry.
I think these will actually save lives as it sounds like most of you are going to back of a bit being so scared of the potential loss of control. And lets face it, most of us treat the twistys like a racetrack so by effecting a change in behaviour they have achieved a road safety win.
Just wait till they turn it to a 70k speed limit....
Really need to see a pic of these cats eyes....
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Forum whore
They're not Catseyes, it's a centreline rumblestrip and they're significantly more numerous and taller than catseyes. The issue is not running wide because: fuckwit. The hill is regularly peppered with debris and errant drivers who are shit scared of that road. I've had to avoid cars on my side of the road by rapidly changing direction and using the wrong side of the road to avoid them because that is the only exit available. In the middle of that manoeuvre there are now painted bumps. Losing traction in the middle of avoiding a rockfall, 3 metre strips of bark, luggage, tyre debris or people who shouldn't be allowed to drive is now potentially a crash instead of a managed hazard.
The hill road is now so lacking in fun factor that I'd love to avoid it but I don't fancy turning a 1 hour trip into a 4 hour one for the privilege of using another road that is prone to slips and idiots as well. Just in case you thought about posting "ride to the conditions". Being prepared to avoid idiots and crap is part of that.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Saying ride to the conditions and don't ride over them is all very well but won't stop accidents. I've seen quite a lot of accidents there over the years. But I can't remember actually seeing any car ones.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Forum whore
I've seen car and truck accidents, including cars through barriers and down huge drops and trucks facing backwards with trailers on their side.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Forum whore
In the 10 years that I traversed the hill regularly, the vast majority of prangs involved just cars and trucks. In that context, bike accidents by number were small, but often bad by nature of the road being quite unforgiving.
By my reckoning James has summed up the conditions rather well. Fallen rocks and small slips would be an almost daily event. At the other end of the scale, there was once a house mover stuck on the hill because he bought a tape measure from the $2 shop...
Hardcore Biker
You what? You'll be right next to the yellow line for the majority of a left hand corner and right next to the white line for most of a right hander. You're only going to release this line once you have a clear view out.
This is a road, not a racetrack....
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