Community DIY Workshop

[nzspokes]

Also, what happens when someone fucks themselves up big time & work safe come in & give the owner a serious rogering because someone did something stupid?

That was going to be my point. New H&S laws will make this impossible.

[Scuba_Steve]

Another thing I can tell you for a fact, & this is from someone that has repaired vehicles for the best part of 30 years. Fixing cars & drinking piss don't mix. I like to do both very much, but never at the same time.

You haven't met these new things then I take it? You plug in a connection, load up some software, it tells you which part to replace, plug in the new part & bam you're done!
I suppose if you're shitfaced reading the error code on the screen becomes a bit harder but other than that I can't imagine why you would do it sober, it would be sooo boring like running through an ISP's "can you do this" checklist

[Oakie]

That was going to be my point. New H&S laws will make this impossible.

Nah. As long as you could be seen to have taken all reasonable steps for the size of the business you could do it. You would need to do some serious work thinking of all the ways people could hurt themselves that you could control though and take documented steps to manage all of those things. Big job but employers serious about HSE will cope.

[Akzle]

Nah. As long as you could be seen to have taken all reasonable steps for the size of the business you could do it. You would need to do some serious work thinking of all the ways people could hurt themselves that you could control though and take documented steps to manage all of those things. Big job but employers serious about HSE will cope.

he's not EMPLOYING these cunts to work on THEIR motorcycles...


non liability agreement signed on entry. big stupid signs. hi vis screw drivers.

[russd7]

Nah. As long as you could be seen to have taken all reasonable steps for the size of the business you could do it. You would need to do some serious work thinking of all the ways people could hurt themselves that you could control though and take documented steps to manage all of those things. Big job but employers serious about HSE will cope.

yup, except you don't have the same control over general public as you do over employees. one of the changes coming to the health and safety act is dropping the minimize part, it will be eliminate or isolate only and the fines are going to be phenominal and directors and ceo's are also not going to be able to hide from it anymore.

it means that for something like this it will have to be set up for the lowest common denominator, it would have to be muppet proof.

just because you believe you have taken all reasonable steps dose not mean that all reasonable steps have been taken and ignorance is not a defense.

[sidecar bob]

You haven't met these new things then I take it? You plug in a connection, load up some software, it tells you which part to replace, plug in the new part & bam you're done!
I suppose if you're shitfaced reading the error code on the screen becomes a bit harder but other than that I can't imagine why you would do it sober, it would be sooo boring like running through an ISP's "can you do this" checklist

I own a pair of fantastic up to date diagnostic machines & am very proficient at using them. However a diagnostic machine makes you a mechanic about as much as a pair of scissors make you a hairdresser.

[Scuba_Steve]

yup, except you don't have the same control over general public as you do over employees. one of the changes coming to the health and safety act is dropping the minimize part, it will be eliminate or isolate only and the fines are going to be phenominal and directors and ceo's are also not going to be able to hide from it anymore.

it means that for something like this it will have to be set up for the lowest common denominator, it would have to be muppet proof.

just because you believe you have taken all reasonable steps dose not mean that all reasonable steps have been taken and ignorance is not a defense.

so... plastic spanners, foam screwdrivers & playdough oil then?

[russd7]

he's not EMPLOYING these cunts to work on THEIR motorcycles...


non liability agreement signed on entry. big stupid signs. hi vis screw drivers.

makes no difference, he is providing a service so therefore is responsible, only way to negate that responsibility is if persons are there unlawfully.

[Oakie]

he's not EMPLOYING these cunts to work on THEIR motorcycles...

non liability agreement signed on entry. big stupid signs. hi vis screw drivers.

HSE legislation also relates to visitors on site which is what these people would be so no difference really.
'Non liability agreement' is not worth the paper it's written on. You can't 'agree' out of HSE law.
Big stupid signs can be a help for some things but won't be worth a pinch of shit if for example someone falls in a hole and all you have done is put a big sign beside it pointing out the hole rather than eliminating, isolating or minimising the hazard.
Hi vis screwdrivers? Well it would make it harder to lose them I suppose.

[Oakie]

yup, except you don't have the same control over general public as you do over employees. one of the changes coming to the health and safety act is dropping the minimize part, it will be eliminate or isolate only

Nah. Minimise is still there ... section 29 of the Reform Bill:

Managing risk to ensure health and safety

The duties to ensure health and safety require the duty holder to manage risk through eliminating or minimising the risk, so far as is reasonably practicable in the circumstances.

Some of the PCBU duties in the Bill require them to ensure something is without risk, or that health and safety is not put at risk.

These duties should be looked at together with the duty to manage risk.

This doesn’t mean that the duty of care requires that all risks must always be eliminated. In some cases it will be reasonably practicable to eliminate risk, but in others it will not. If that’s the case, then the risk must be minimised, so far as reasonably practicable.

Depending on the circumstances and the risk, minimisation may include isolating the risk, coming up with engineering solutions, adapting work methods and procedures, or providing personal protective equipment.

[bogan]

That was going to be my point. New H&S laws will make this impossible.

Didn't the old laws do that thoroughly enough?

There are 'makerspaces' popping up in US fairly often still though, but I guess they have more options to sign away their rights to get others in trouble for their own stupidity.

[caseye]

Used to be a drive in, put it there , work on it, drive it out again place in Station Road Ota hu shoes!.
It had hoists, pits even, paint booths and prep areas.
Worked very well for a number of years.
One guy sat in front office and took the cash, provided advice and expertise for a fee.
Tools were up to date and painted a hideous green, no one allowed in or out without being checked for gear ( Na Akz, tools type gear)
Seriously it was there for the best part of twenty years.

[nodrog:Me]

scissor paper rock , thought you'd suss that out!

I'm just not that smart.

[Tazz]

Not general public guys. You're a paying member/subscriber.

If any of the crap being thrown around above was true gyms or sports clubs wouldn't exist and some dudes on horses would be running around killing us...

Did anyone else look up the example the op posted btw? Hipster as but so awesome for peeps stuck in apartments.

[Oakie]

Not general public guys. You're a paying member/subscriber. If any of the crap being thrown around above was true gyms or sports clubs wouldn't exist and some dudes on horses would be running around killing us... .

If this is the sort of thing you meant ... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11352636