How come?

[J.A.W.]

Check this RZ 350 dyno chart out.. www.rd350lc.net/Magazine/MCI0986-5.jpg

Note the model update/up-tune, & the co-relation between TQ & HP..

If torque can be maintained over a wide rpm range, then eventually, HP mounts up..

But if you compare a stock 400/4 4T Honda to the chart above, it will look piss-weak.. long flat, & thin..

[AllanB]

If you think marketing is the only reason someone would buy a harley u might want to pull your head out of your arse

Nah ya knob. The 6th gear is a marketing wank on them. Loads of reasons to buy one (buy what you like) but a nice grunty big bore twin don't need a screaming IL4 6 speed box.

[skippa1]

Nah ya knob. The 6th gear is a marketing wank on them. Loads of reasons to buy one (buy what you like) but a nice grunty big bore twin don't need a screaming IL4 6 speed box.

6th gear is not a marketing wank, youve obviously not ridden a v rod cause i still try to hook sixth after 3 years owning one......

[AllanB]

6th gear is not a marketing wank, youve obviously not ridden a v rod cause i still try to hook sixth after 3 years owning one......

Well there's ya problem. A V-Rod is not a real Harley ..................

[skippa1]

Well there's ya problem. A V-Rod is not a real Harley ..................

And a Hondas not a motorcycle not for men anyway

[J.A.W.]

2T 500cc Hondas are, to be fair.. but the anodyne inline 4s are.. not.. really..

[J.A.W.]

Just to be clear on the whole TQ/HP/RPM thing.. see here.. http://www.kawtriple.com/mraxl/artic...uperbikes2.htm

Note the different characteristics between twins, triples & fours.. ( & 2T VS 4T)..

[F5 Dave]

Journalists were still finding their way, even if that probably was the great Gordon Jennings writing that. All that matters is the HP curve and the appropriate gear ratios.

[J.A.W.]

"...Finding their way".. L.O.L...
Jess Thomas, Dave Boller & Cook Nielsen obviously know more about it than you, Dave.. & its basic bloody physics.. James Watt had it down pat centuries ago..

The HP curve is an artefact/extrapolation of the TQ X RPM.. & if you read it.. it states measuring "...RWHP & true engine TQ."
The acceleration testing discusses gearing technicalities too..

[F5 Dave]

Then why are we still talking about torque like its some magical force?

[AllanB]

Then why are we still talking about torque like its some magical force?

May the torque be with you.

Hmmm T-shirt slogan for a suitable brand?

[mossy1200]

Then why are we still talking about torque like its some magical force?

It is.
It shakes tread off your tyres without the side effect of acceleration.

[J.A.W.]

Then why are we still talking about torque like its some magical force?

Who is?

Torque, its a force of physics..

The "magical force" is in the electrickery.. as is well known, & its often dark magic.. ooohhh.. spooky, sparkly.. sprites..

[Drew]

Who is?

Torque, its a force of physics..

The "magical force" is in the electrickery.. as is well known, & its often dark magic.. ooohhh.. spooky, sparkly.. sprites..

That'll put the cat amongst the pigeons, since what we call horse power can be measured in electrical output. So since horse power is an arbitrary thing dreamed up by some wacko watching miners work and horses drag out coal, and torque is a measurement of leverage so completely seperate from acceleration, do we need to rename something?

[J.A.W.]

That'll put the cat amongst the pigeons, since what we call horse power can be measured in electrical output. So since horse power is an arbitrary thing dreamed up by some wacko watching miners work and horses drag out coal, and torque is a measurement of leverage so completely seperate from acceleration, do we need to rename something?

Watt?

James Watt, & he'd had those suckers hard pumpin' well before electrickery decided to make itself available to harness..