ACC proposals on motorcycle levies

[Tazz]

Here's a thought. Why don't we all just accept the fact that carnage and death is a part of life. Hell, there'd be no life without them.

No!

Then we can't blame other people and lack of instructions for shit happening and the people making rules will run out of new rules to make and we will all spontaneously explode from the utter lack of 'safety!

I think anyone who can't handle the risk of death on a daily basis, probably because they have been mollycoddled by society and have a higher value on themselves than the universe does, should stay at home, where they can die from heart disease, cancer or an accident involving the words 'here mate, hold my beer and check this out...', which are all statistically more likely to happen than getting bowled by a farkwit doing 1kph over, 1kph under or 10kph to the left of some unscientific limit/rule on the road.

[FJRider]

Here's a thought. Why don't we all just accept the fact that carnage and death is a part of life. Hell, there'd be no life without them.

You cannot have life if there will be no death ..

Accept the fact that we are all human and that we ALL benefit to the same degree from a publicly funded, no fault, recovery and compensation scheme.

The jury is still out on the ALL human bit ... but another 10% tax increase across the board should cover the required funding.

If ACC "Assistance" was not available to visitors to NZ .... there might be more funding available to New Zealander's ..

I see no other plausible option than to fund ACC completely from the general public purse and to hell with all this "your life is more dangerous than mine so you should pay more" bullshit.

But ... we have a 26 million dollar flag change to fund first ..

Priority's ... right ...


And .. We as motorcyclists are at more risk of injury in an accident. No getting around THAT ... take a risk .. pay the price.


Safety records of any rider count for little ... it is the increased actual risk as a motorcyclist that is the basis of policy.

Individual personal safety records count for little. It is the RISK of injury being higher for motorcyclists ... that other motorists that policy is based on.

[eldog]

You cannot have life if there will be no death ..

I thought we were promised eternal life and/or 72 virgins depending on your point of view/orientation

[FJRider]

I thought we were promised eternal life and/or 72 virgins depending on your point of view/orientation

Virgins are over-rated ... just stick with your tried and true slut.

And eternal life is what it seems like .. when IRD have their claws in you ..

[bogan]

The one time when going over the speed limit is certainly of assistance in order to avoid a crash is during an overtake.

You should try english!

I hovered over your rep indicator, but I think hope may be futile in this case...

[swbarnett]

We as motorcyclists are at more risk of injury in an accident. No getting around THAT ... take a risk .. pay the price.


Safety records of any rider count for little ... it is the increased actual risk as a motorcyclist that is the basis of policy.

Individual personal safety records count for little. It is the RISK of injury being higher for motorcyclists ... that other motorists that policy is based on.

Classing us as motorcyclists for the purpose of risk assessment is extremely arbitrary and, IMO, totally wrong.

Let's say we class people by race instead of mode of transport. Let's assume that Maori are over represented in the accident stats (just for argument's sake, I don't know if this is true or not). How do you think it would go down if they had to pay massively higher ACC levies?

[Digitdion]

Classing us as motorcyclists for the purpose of risk assessment is extremely arbitrary and, IMO, totally wrong.

Let's say we class people by race instead of mode of transport. Let's assume that Maori are over represented in the accident stats (just for argument's sake, I don't know if this is true or not). How do you think it would go down if they had to pay massively higher ACC levies?

You have hit the nail on the head. This is a good analogy.
Motorcyclist are unfairly being targeted.

[RDJ]

Classing us as motorcyclists for the purpose of risk assessment is extremely arbitrary and, IMO, totally wrong.

Let's say we class people by race instead of mode of transport. Let's assume that Maori are over represented in the accident stats (just for argument's sake, I don't know if this is true or not). How do you think it would go down if they had to pay massively higher ACC levies?

Acccording to MP Rahui Katene, Maori are indeed over represented in the accident statistics, both in the workplace and outside it - as he said, "There is a clear hierarchy of accident rates by industry, with energy and water, forestry, construction, transport and storage and agriculture in the top five – and Maori are over-represented in all of these."

It's even worse for kids: Safekids via TV One reported that Maori children are 65% more likely to be killed and injured in road traffic-related incidents (and Pacific Island children are 31% more likely to be killed and injured).

[TheDemonLord]

Acccording to MP Rahui Katene, Maori are indeed over represented in the accident statistics, both in the workplace and outside it - as he said, "There is a clear hierarchy of accident rates by industry, with energy and water, forestry, construction, transport and storage and agriculture in the top five – and Maori are over-represented in all of these."

It's even worse for kids: Safekids via TV One reported that Maori children are 65% more likely to be killed and injured in road traffic-related incidents (and Pacific Island children are 31% more likely to be killed and injured).

Interesting....

[rastuscat]

Wow. This thread is turning out to be a vacuous mind game.

Maybe we should all just accept that we can't change things, and just build a bridge and get over it.

For sure, all the arguing hasn't changed anything. Why bother.

[bogan]

Wow. This thread is turning out to be a vacuous mind game.

Maybe we should all just accept that we can't change things, and just build a bridge and get over it.

For sure, all the arguing hasn't changed anything. Why bother.

Spoken like a true govt shill

[eldog]

Still like to see 1 ACC charge per license holder separate from registration of bike, so its transferrable (multi bike owners)

just not sure how that works implementation wise

and what would happen if you didn't pay for it and had an accident

ATM its a way of making riders more aware they are more at risk than other road users (and comparative industries)

still have to register bike etc if want to use it.

is there some way of removing non registered (ACC component) from the ACC accident statistics so we get a true cost of the road registered ACC cost.

[RDJ]

Wow. This thread is turning out to be a vacuous mind game.

Maybe we should all just accept that we can't change things, and just build a bridge and get over it.

For sure, all the arguing hasn't changed anything. Why bother.

Why are you bothering to read it then?

[swbarnett]

Wow. This thread is turning out to be a vacuous mind game.

These are the words of one that has been shown the truth and refuses to accept it.

Maybe we should all just accept that we can't change things, and just build a bridge and get over it.

If we did that we'd all still be living in caves. Indeed we may have never even thought to use caves in the first place.

For sure, all the arguing hasn't changed anything. Why bother.

Ah, but it might. Forums like this are the modern equivalent of the gatherings where Aristotle, Plato et al. developed their philosophy.

[caspernz]

wasn't so long ago that 3rd party insurance was part of your rego payment..........i wouldn't have a problem with compulsory 3rd party insurance.....at least you would then know in a situation where you were not at fault you would be compensated/repaired.....if you were at fault the innocent party would be compensated and you would bear the cost of your own repairs....seems fair to me

Define not so long ago? My first foray to NZ was in 1984 and I don't recall 3rd party insurance being a part of rego then or since... Fully agree compulsory 3rd party insurance should be introduced in one form or another. But then penalties for driving without licence/rego/wof are just a joke, so compulsory insurance would end up in that category as well.

The whole ACC debate is near on a waste of time, for unless enough bikers stand together and protest as one (now there's a Tui ad), nothing will change. Makes for amusing reading though, ok frustrating to read...