ACC proposals on motorcycle levies

[TheDemonLord]

Just expect ANY motorist (with any number of wheels) within 50 meters of you ... to do something so stupid ... that you will need to take some action to avoid them. That way you can start planning on how you can avoid them ... before your choices are limited (or non existent).

This.


1000 times, This.

[Trade_nancy]

No ... my theory was ... that the belief that many have, is that being within the law will keep them safe ... and if they bin it ... it must be someone else's fault.

And all of MY "Off's" were UNDER the posted speed limit. Especially the one's involving other motorists. Were YOUR'S .. ???

Speed is not the dangerous factor. Speed is just one common factor in a lot of accidents. Inability to see possible problems ahead and take steps to avoid them ... is another. Following another motorist too closely ... will put you more at risk of harm than exceeding any posted speed limit. (in my opinion)

Running off the road is more likely in the twisties ... because some retards just can't go round corners. I'd even bet at least one of your "off's" was on a corner.

Agree - speed is often not the cause..but it is likely the cause of injury being intensified into death. Impact at 50kph in town vs at 90kph for example....a recent example happened in Hutt valley didn't it?
Whereas I expect if I T-bone a car at 100 on the highway - I'm as gone as if I do it at 120. But... maybe at 100 the smidsy offender would have gotten through in front of us...
In a group or on a solo ride I have gotten up there to warp factor 5...have to say if a road-side critter wandered out - as happened to our lead rider one time - a billy-goat wandered in front of his StreetGlide while he was still doing 90-100...after slowing down from 120...his brain chose to drive on and attempt to leap the goat - not to brake...result might have disappointed him..But the goat changed it's mind and about-faced at the exact right split-second. His wife was pillion on back and needed some alcohol at the next stop.
If a goat shot out on me while I'm doing 140 or more - I'd have no reaction time....doesn't stop me taking the risk - but I do it less often and don't believe in arguing that speed is not a serious contender in the blame..it is. It just is not the exclusive cause.

[Jin]

Some people need to know sporting injuries are covered by the earner premium. My guess if they imposed separate levies for different sports people would stop playing sport and perhaps they figue if people stop playing sport some would turn to crime. I still stand by what I said in that those at fault are the ones that should be paying the most and I think the statistics said in an accident with another vehicle 66% were the fault of the other vehicle.

Yeah and some people need to know there already are separate levies for different sports (which is why i said rugby has the highest risk rating for the EP). And that they only apply to professional players and not amateur sports.

[bogan]

No have never come off on a corner as I respect the fact there is little room for error so am not retarded. If you look at the statistics it is the mid life crisis age group that are at the most risk of coming to grief as a result of their own fault. Not all midlife crisis age riders are returning riders though and if there was statistics separating the 2 the non returning rider would likely be classed as quite safe as their bike would not have been purchased for ego/image.

Yes you have.

No they aren't, there is just more of them.

That makes three groups...

[bogan]

Yes I have come off but not on a corner. On icy and wet roads and hit a dog 2 times if you really want to know plus was hit by a car doing a u turn.

You missed out your panic brake front end tuck... (on a corner). Icy and wet roads have corners too btw; these tend to be the fally-off parts due to grip issues not being prevalent in straight lines.

Long fucking list for somebody who 'respect the fact there is little room for error so am not retarded'

[bogan]

Things can happen too quick to panic brake. Something you are yet to experience maybe. There is a saying that there are those who have stacked and those who are yet to stack. It appears some on here do not see it as a possiblity they could ever stack and only retards do it eh?

No, the one where you panicked and locked the front end.

You seem to do so frequently enough to fill both categories, pretty sure only retards do that anyway.

[FJRider]

If a goat shot out on me while I'm doing 140 or more - I'd have no reaction time....doesn't stop me taking the risk - but I do it less often and don't believe in arguing that speed is not a serious contender in the blame..it is. It just is not the exclusive cause.

I agree ... and there is no risk factor built into ledglislation. That is up to the vehicle operator ... to decide how much risk they choose to take.

I've seen a 1500 gold wing hit a sheep at less than the 100 km/hr limit (he wasn't slowing down either). Not all roads are safe at the posted speed limits ... whatever limit is required.

[FJRider]

... and hit a dog 2 times if you really want to know plus was hit by a car doing a u turn.

I hope it wasn't the same dog you hit 2 times ... ... that would be retarded (and unlucky for the poor dog) ..

[FJRider]

Some people need to know sporting injuries are covered by the earner premium. My guess if they imposed separate levies for different sports people would stop playing sport and perhaps they figue if people stop playing sport some would turn to crime. I still stand by what I said in that those at fault are the ones that should be paying the most and I think the statistics said in an accident with another vehicle 66% were the fault of the other vehicle.

Using your retarded theory ... and as the large (separate) ACC levy built into the motorcycle registration ... people would stop riding and turn to crime ..

[kiwi cowboy]

I hope it wasn't the same dog you hit 2 times ... ... that would be retarded (and unlucky for the poor dog) ..

Prolly run over it with front AND back wheel = twice.

Fzr fired up last night almost ready for regd bugger it time to get poorer lol.

You still riding fj?.

[Daffyd]

The wrong day is the one you stop looking for problems and threats. The assumption that ... because you are in "the right' ... and within the bounds of law ... you will be safe ... is a crock of shit. About as pointless as pointing the finger of blame ... afterwards ...

Just expect ANY motorist (with any number of wheels) within 50 meters of you ... to do something so stupid ... that you will need to take some action to avoid them. That way you can start planning on how you can avoid them ... before your choices are limited (or non existent).

Exactly... I put my three years of accident free ringing in the Philippines down to this very philosophy.

[kiwi cowboy]

Using your retarded theory ... and as the large (separate) ACC levy built into the motorcycle registration ... people would stop riding and turn to crime ..

Actually FJ I remember when I last layed rugby I had a charge on top or my subs that went straight to acc from every player.

Don't know if that still happens.

[FJRider]

Actually FJ I remember when I last layed rugby I had a charge on top or my subs that went straight to acc from every player.

Don't know if that still happens.

Did you turn to crime when you stopped playing .. ??

[FJRider]

Prolly run over it with front AND back wheel = twice.

Fzr fired up last night almost ready for regd bugger it time to get poorer lol.

You still riding fj?.

Not riding as much as I would like.

[kiwi cowboy]

Did you turn to crime when you stopped playing .. ??

Does a 116 km speed ticket count?? or is this not the best place to talk about speed .
Other than that pretty tame I am.