Police crackdown on unsafe helmets

[DamianW]

The popo might as well ping helmet less and helmet clad cyclists too - for educational purposes, to be sure.

[swbarnett]

more head injuries mean more fucking acc levvies on my bike so it does hurt me...

Your ACC levy is not to pay for others head injuries. It's to pay YOUR freedom to ride, climb, fly or whatever else you feel like doing that gives your life meaning but MIGHT put you at risk of injury.

By your logic the rest of society hurts you just by living.

[F5 Dave]

When I'm in a queue just that thought occurs to me.

[Jin]

Your ACC levy is not to pay for others head injuries. It's to pay YOUR freedom to ride, climb, fly or whatever else you feel like doing that gives your life meaning but MIGHT put you at risk of injury.

By your logic the rest of society hurts you just by living.

Fascinating. Have you told ACC this?

[jellywrestler]

Your ACC levy is not to pay for others head injuries. It's to pay YOUR freedom to ride, climb, fly or whatever else you feel like doing that gives your life meaning but MIGHT put you at risk of injury.

By your logic the rest of society hurts you just by living.

no it's like seat belts, cunts that don't wear them cost society more as it's a proven fact that they save lives, yip, there's been the odd person killed by a seat belt but overall the stats say they save.

they made up the stats for m/c rego via the so called costs of accidents and what it cost per accident etc.
so can you explain how if there's a few more head injury cases which are expensive and can put the average cost up compared to a stubbed toe how this doesn't translate through?

[swbarnett]

it's like seat belts, cunts that don't wear them cost society more as it's a proven fact that they save lives,

It's also a proven fact that if no-one drove then no-one could die in a driving accident.

It's also a proven fact that if no-one climbed Everest then no-one would die on the mountain.

Does this mean that we should outlaw driving or mountain climbing? Of course, not. What ACC is supposed to do is provide a system that enables all of us to partake in the activities that sustain life and those that give our lives meaning.

For some that means riding a motorcycle or climbing a mountain. For some not being constrained by a seat belt or feeling the wind in their hair does it for them.

Who are you or I to tell someone that they must remove some of the joy from their lives just because it hits us a tiny bit more in the back pocket? How would you feel if TPTB decide that motorcycling is just not a necessary part of life?

they made up the stats for m/c rego via the so called costs of accidents and what it cost per accident etc.
so can you explain how if there's a few more head injury cases which are expensive and can put the average cost up compared to a stubbed toe how this doesn't translate through?

So we have to pay a tiny bit more so that someone else can have a life of meaning. As far as I'm concerned it's money well spent. After all the rest of the country is doing that for us.

[swbarnett]

Fascinating. Have you told ACC this?

I hear ya. They have definitely need a nudge in this direction.

[Scuba_Steve]

no it's like seat belts, cunts that don't wear them cost society more as it's a proven fact that they save lives, yip, there's been the odd person killed by a seat belt but overall the stats say they save.

they made up the stats for m/c rego via the so called costs of accidents and what it cost per accident etc.
so can you explain how if there's a few more head injury cases which are expensive and can put the average cost up compared to a stubbed toe how this doesn't translate through?

So what you're saying is we need to ban motorbikes; they're too dangerous burden on tax payers & many lives could be saved if people were protected by a cage

... don't worry they're headed this way, it's only time

[2smokes]

For helmet prices I have noticed a price difference of $900 or more so there must be quite a large difference in the safety of brand new helmets which maybe needs looking into. I am guessing with the very cheapest helmets they would have risk of weakening in sunlight overtime like a plastic bucket.

Cassina, I suspect you have been sent from a galaxy far, far, away. You do not understand human nature. Here is the lesson. A new Corolla costs around $20k. A new RS6 costs around $220k. Is the RS6 $200k safer? No you Muppet, the RS6 owner thinks it's $200k cooler than the Corolla. Same with helmets.
Fuck me sideways.

[Grumph]

In Kaikoura Tues gone and theres a shit load of Greasy Dogs about (didnt know they existed) some had helmets, some had full face with of course no visor, others non descript lids.
Local ? cops didnt seem too interested inspecting their helmets.

word must have got down the line that they were coming....South side of Timaru, there was about 15 police cars and matching personnel lined up for a pullover session. Wife didn't get stopped, saw one bike pulled over. Later saw and heard the mob go through Oamaru.

[Scuba_Steve]

So your belief is a $125 helmet is just as safe as a $1000 one and those that buy the $1000 one just do it for pose value? I feel you are the one off the planet and if you hit your head wearing your cheap helmet your thinking may be different. I have actually looked at some cheap helmets and the build quality is just not there but maybe the cheap cost is more important to you.

All certified helmets have to meet minimum requirements, some might go beyond this but this isn't necessarily what you're paying for when you go more expensive; Usually what you pay for is weight reduction, comfort, features & better tech (which usually leads to 1 & 2)

[2smokes]

So your belief is a $125 helmet is just as safe as a $1000 one and those that buy the $1000 one just do it for pose value? I feel you are the one off the planet and if you hit your head wearing your cheap helmet your thinking may be different. I have actually looked at some cheap helmets and the build quality is just not there but maybe the cheap cost is more important to you.

No you don't get it. Is the Corolla unsafe? No Muppet. It has the same safety rating by the same test organisation as the RS6. Concentrate.
Why isn't there a button on my keyboard that electrocutes people that are a liability to the rest of us.

Lets make it simple for the simple. How much did you pay for your bike? I bet the average person bought their bike because in their mind it was cool. I also bet there is a substantially cheaper bike on the market that will do exactly the same job. Poser value? Maybe, maybe not. I like cool stuff. I'm in a position in my life where I can afford cool stuff.

If you honestly believe a $900 helmet is 3 times better/safer than a $300 helmet, then I can't save you from yourself.

[TLDV8]

The link in the first post has this picture in the news article.



I don't think Arai or Shoei make those sort of helmets which I can only imagine would give little protection in a road accident, perhaps they would offer some resistance in a industrial hard hat dropped from above object type thing or if you were to head butt a lamp post.

Since the thread seems to have derailed quickly, when I was looking for a new off road helmet with a visor it came down to the Arai XD3, Arai have had a good name for a long time so you pay for the extra technology.
It seems I had a $470 dollar head because that is what a brand new XD3 cost from the USA to my door, if I had purchased the same helmet locally it seems my head would have increased in value to $799 so all things are not equal even when it comes to safety.
Even helmets are targeted by the unscrupulous in the name of profit it seems...

[scumdog]

word must have got down the line that they were coming....South side of Timaru, there was about 15 police cars and matching personnel lined up for a pullover session. Wife didn't get stopped, saw one bike pulled over. Later saw and heard the mob go through Oamaru.

Cos they had already been pulled over half a dozen times by then.

Any more stops by the cops and they would be whinging on KB...

[oneofsix]

I actually spent just over $300 on my last helmet and not $1000 as I based my decision on my riding style which is not for example participating in high speed group rides or cornering.

shouldn't have to last too long if your planned riding doesn't include cornering, also puzzled as to how you intend to get home again or is the point that you don't?