Black Sunday?

**nelubian** · 30th November 2015, 08:56

I've noticed couple of crashed over last weekend, then typed 'Motorcyclist' in the NZherald search and ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11552976
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11552832
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11553159
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11553185

I've not seen so high death frequency before this Sunday. Or is it seasonable?

**rastuscat** · 30th November 2015, 09:43

Shocking weekend. All I hope is not to see a mates name appear in the media. Or mine.

**Moise** · 30th November 2015, 10:32

51 including pillions so far this year compared to 37 to the same date last year.

Total deaths are 287 already so will be over 300 for the year.

Whatever they are doing to make our roads safer is obviously not working.

**Banditbandit** · 30th November 2015, 10:57

Originally Posted by Moise

51 including pillions so far this year compared to 37 to the same date last year.

Total deaths are 287 already so will be over 300 for the year.

Whatever they are doing to make our roads safer is obviously not working.

That should be "we" .. what are we doing to make the roads safer ... It's not working because "they" are responsible ...

"They" are held responsible for everything .. but in fact, "they" are responsible for nothing ..

**haydes55** · 30th November 2015, 11:03

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

That should be "we" .. what are we doing to make the roads safer ... It's not working because "they" are responsible ...

"They" are held responsible for everything .. but in fact, "they" are responsible for nothing ..

Actually they are responsible. I'm responsible for me and I haven't contributed to any stat. I'm welcome.

**EJK** · 30th November 2015, 11:30

Sounds like zero tolerance martial law for Christmas.

**rastuscat** · 30th November 2015, 11:34

Originally Posted by Moise

Whatever they are doing to make our roads safer is obviously not working.

It's easy to push the blame onto "them".

Trouble is, push the blame "their" way, and you also lose control of the solution too.

Look in the mirror. You'll see a picture of the person responsible for your safety. The person who can make a difference immediately, at no cost.

Just sayin. For sure, some things we can't change as individuals. Tourists crossing the centre line, nope, can't do much about that sometimes. But a lot we can.

Meantime, stop waiting for "them" to solve your problems.

**caspernz** · 30th November 2015, 11:40

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Shocking weekend. All I hope is not to see a mates name appear in the media. Or mine.

My outlook is the same.

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

That should be "we" .. what are we doing to make the roads safer ... It's not working because "they" are responsible ...

"They" are held responsible for everything .. but in fact, "they" are responsible for nothing ..

How true! If only more took the same view.

**Mike.Gayner** · 30th November 2015, 11:52

Originally Posted by rastuscat

It's easy to push the blame onto "them".

Trouble is, push the blame "their" way, and you also lose control of the solution too.

Look in the mirror. You'll see a picture of the person responsible for your safety. The person who can make a difference immediately, at no cost.

Just sayin. For sure, some things we can't change as individuals. Tourists crossing the centre line, nope, can't do much about that sometimes. But a lot we can.

Meantime, stop waiting for "them" to solve your problems.

And yet "they" are still prepared to impose "their" will on us, justifying it by insisting that "their" enforcement techniques make us safer.

**awa355** · 30th November 2015, 12:07

Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner

And yet "they" are still prepared to impose "their" will on us, justifying it by insisting that "their" enforcement techniques make us safer.

**Gremlin** · 30th November 2015, 12:08

Summer is coming, heap more bikes getting out on the road...

No-one keeps me safe but me, do the best you can. Doesn't matter if you're not legally at fault, you're the one coming off worst...

**tigertim20** · 30th November 2015, 12:08

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

That should be "we" .. what are we doing to make the roads safer ... It's not working because "they" are responsible ...

"They" are held responsible for everything .. but in fact, "they" are responsible for nothing ..

perhaps 'they' should stop rushing to accept the responsibility for those occaisions where we have very low crash / death rates on particular holiday weekends then.

'they' also seem to be very quiet when a particular holiday period has a higher road toll though. funny that.

'their' techniques havent worked so far from what I can tell - so perhaps 'they' need to back off with their failed policies and try to do something working in conjunction with 'us'.

I do agree that each is responsible for their own safety, but current policies do not seem to have a consistent positive impact.

**Tazz** · 30th November 2015, 12:09

What's the price of sour cream doing at the moment?

Originally Posted by EJK

Sounds like zero tolerance martial law for Christmas.

**Moise** · 30th November 2015, 12:18

Not much I could have done to keep any of those 287 people alive.

The point that I'm trying to make is that road deaths, especially motorcyclists, are increasing, despite the present road safety initiatives. It seems perfectly reasonable to conclude that overall, our road safety programme is not effective.