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    Maybe....its time we started TEACHING people how to drive safely...instead of just TESTING what mommy/daddy & mates have passed on to the new road user.


    Seriously...name ANY European country that allows you to drive or ride with out passing a defensive driving/riding course or such...answer - NONE! (Cos there not stupid!, they ACTUALLY focus on safety!!...not just easy revenue on the day and in the future due to slack arse driving habits & poor training)



    We need mandatory defensive driving BEFORE you can even try driving on a public road...cos our present system IS!! -

    Can ya pull out?
    Can ya park?
    Get round the block?
    Use an indicator/Mirrors?
    Not speed?

    FUCKING GREAT!!!..thanks for your money, here's a license!...just learn the rest as ya go!...and good luck!!

    ...and this Bullshit slack system is killing kiwi's faster than fucking cancer!!


    Guess its just easier to charge kiwis for a BS "test", then nail them over & over & over for easy money/revenue as a direct result of said poor "testing" failing to prepare them for the road...actual training of drivers would cost and result in less easy revenue grabs...cos profit before people

    Teach a man to fly a plane, and he will fly!...but let him just "give it a shot" with very little training and a poor understanding of the dangers faced...he gonna crash & burn!

    ...it aint fucking rocket science!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    (big generalisation) There are pros and cons to every road user group. Younger, less experienced and less able to identify risk, and possibly, depending on their social circle, more risky behaviour (less road worthy vehicles, carrying passengers on wrong licence, drinking and driving etc). However, they also bounce better and heal quicker being younger. Through a lack of funds, possibly less vehicles per person than older people. Likely gone through tougher more recent driving testing.

    Older drivers, well, returning riders for example feature heavily in statistics. May be experienced, may not be (have they been riding the whole time, or just getting back into it after a decade or two off). Likely haven't had their driving skills tested in decades, road law knowledge may be out of date. While young people are distracted by their peers, older people could be distracted by their family, kids etc. They may have a more mature attitude to the road, but then I've seen plenty who don't. Drinking and driving still features...

    As you get older, your reactions slow, and you don't recover as quickly. Hard part is getting people to acknowledge that...
    I agree with everything you say. I know I am generalising but isn't that what statistics do? I know I had a decade or so off. I know my reactions are, perhaps, slower than they were, but having acknowledged that I make allowances and slow down a little more before blind bends, roundabouts, other potential problem areas etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazz View Post
    I was using the weekend as a sample of crashes in general since there was a decent amount...

    The speed is not really what kills anyway, it's the decisions that lead up to doing that speed in a situation where the outcome is obviously not ideal or planned which is all on the rider and can happen on any bike regardless of pony powers.
    And if the speed is higher as a result of more pony powers the reaction time is less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I did see a UK survey on the net that said people drove more dangerously as they believed their ABS etc would save them. The survey did not cover bikes.
    Then why did you bother to mention it?
    Bint!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffyd View Post
    And if the speed is higher as a result of more pony powers the reaction time is less.
    Doesn't matter, you're already at a speed you shouldn't be at, in a situation you shouldn't be in. That can happen at 50kph or even at 10kph. You put yourself in that danger intentionally or otherwise, shit does happen, but it's not your speeds fault or you bike, it's you.

    Plugging something into your wall socket carries a risk of getting electrocuted. If you jam a metal fork in it you increase that risk. Does that mean that there should be a lower voltage for those toe rags that want to jam a fork in so less of them die?

    I'll have to double check but most accidents happen at under 100k anyway from memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Some European tourists kil on our roads too so a defensive driving course is no gurantee of a safer motorist.
    an RPG Based protection system however would be 100% effective against European tourists (or those from any other Nationality).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Some European tourists kil on our roads too so a defensive driving course is no gurantee of a safer motorist.
    Since NZ nationals are superior drivers compared to tourists, all foreign drivers should identify themselves with a special marked badge. Something like this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazz View Post
    Doesn't matter, you're already at a speed you shouldn't be at, in a situation you shouldn't be in. That can happen at 50kph or even at 10kph. You put yourself in that danger intentionally or otherwise, shit does happen, but it's not your speeds fault or you bike, it's you.
    Exactly... Which is why I said in the first place, Do riders need to look in the mirror and ask that person, "Do I have the skills and the reactions necessary to safely ride this bike in any road conditions?"
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    I don't think it the current driver licencing system that's the issue. It's more the fact that the majority of drivers on the roads haven't been taught to drive properly.

    For example, riders of my generation got a full motorbike licence by answering a few questions and then doing a short ride while the traffic officer (remember them?) watched from the footpath.

    I hate to think how many migrants have NZ licences but someone else sat the test for them. Shouldn't happen now, but it did go on for a few years.

    The largest category are probably all the Kiwis who were taught badly by their father but still think they are good drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Some European tourists kil on our roads too so a defensive driving course is no gurantee of a safer motorist.
    ...thats the entire point of defensive driver/rider training...to make safer & more aware road users out of ordinary people willing to learn the correct & safe way to travel and handle there vehicle in most road conditions...Kinda WHY its called defensive training (You should try it!...its fun and you learn to stay alive alot longer on two wheels...win! win!!)

    ...imagine Pilots had the same amount of "training" as our current road handling testing provides...would you get on the plane with them at the wheel??



    ps...Go book in with Rastuscat, he'll learn ya real good about road safety and defensive riding (Sorry Ras...but you like a "challenge" aye )

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    A few thoughts...

    First - we are not taught to drive / ride in New Zealand, certainly not in the sense of being taught as understood by EU countries...

    Second - yes, some European drivers have crashed and caused serious injuries and/or death[s]: perhaps as you tire you revert to the taught default mode which doesn't work if you are driving on the left side of the road...

    Third - speed and alcohol are contributing factors to crashes, so are many other factors such as weather, road condition, vehicle condition, driver condition - does this mean we should be taking greater notice of the conditions while we are driving / riding?

    Fourth - I think a few NZ drivers and riders need to have their brain rule what they are doing on the road rather than having their groin do it...

    Now I await the red rep and the flaming personal attacks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moise View Post
    The largest category are probably all the Kiwis who were taught badly by their father but still think they are good drivers.
    As Jay Leno once said: Driving (or riding bikes perhaps) is like sex. Every men thinks they are good at it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EJK View Post
    As Jay Leno once said: Driving (or riding bikes perhaps) is like sex. Every men thinks they are good at it.
    So my driving reflects my sexual skill...

    Seriously, I like Jay's comment, bit like that Australian road safety ad...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffyd View Post
    Do riders need to look in the mirror and ask that person, "Do I have the skills and the reactions necessary to safely ride this bike in any road conditions?"
    When I look in the mirror I see my elbows. They don't answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffyd View Post
    Do riders need to look in the mirror and ask that person, "Do I have the skills and the reactions necessary to safely ride this bike in any road conditions?"
    I always answer no - To answer yes is when complacency has set in.
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