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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender EnZed View Post
    I'm no expert on this matter, but I'm fairly confident that a primary focus of almost/literally every motorcycle training course is dealing with car drivers that fail to give way.
    Pretty much my point.

    However I will add that this is all hypothetical as one can never prove or disprove this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGVforme View Post
    I kind of agree but look at the old rider new bike tech thing like this.Drive an old ford escort in the 80s still a pretty good car back then but still bugger all suspension heaps of body roll small brakes retread tyres into a corner too fast.Remember that 'Oh shit' feeling you learnt to get when the car told you it was at its limit?.Now drive a modern escort better suspension ABS less bodyroll better rubber into the same corner now.It takes a lot more speed before that 'Oh shit' feeling kicks in I think giving the driver less time and more speed to scrub off to recover.Same car make same person driving different better tech.

    If a born again bike rider with slower reactions is riding on learnt instinct and skill based on old tech bikes and is waiting for that 'Oh shit' feeling before tipping it in it may come far too late if at all to do anything about it.The warning signs he or she is used to using from their skillset have gone.Add to the the stupid large gray hairy balled mindset of "Ive been riding for 40 years" and "Its just a 600 like the ole impulse" the ingredients for an off are starting to add up.

    Even with little advancement in motorcycle tech in the last 20 years or less if the mindset of the rider is not matched to the age and style bike they are riding and the environment they are riding in it does not matter how old the bike is perhaps.

    I would agree wholeheartedly with your observation about old riders returning, hence why they are the 'risk group'. Taking out the electronic aids, I think the biggest difference would be {using your escort analagy} the vastly improved suspension would even at the point of the tyres letting go, would still keep the body a lot more stable, allowing a better chance of recovery. You also have better tyres, you would not believe what the 'best' then were like.
    the mindset does need to match the equipment, and often it doesnt.
    If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf

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