Using LAMS approved bikes for full license test?

[Laz]

Ok, Been thinking, (Unusual) .. Why do people have to sit their restricted to full license on a LAMS approved bike? The said person is going to a full license which enables him/her to ride any goddamn bike they want to. My thoughts are said person should be able to sit that test on any bike they want.
Why do they have to sit it on a LAMS approved fartbox when a test pass allows them to ride a superbike? Which is immediate upon paying the fee and getting the paper license. I think people should be allowed to sit the full test on any bike they want, Be it their own or something they are going to be riding in the future. I think we should lobby the NZTA about getting this changed as it is putting riders used to low powered bikes (LAMS) straight on to powerful bikes they can't handle at risk. And yeah, This should be fun!http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/im...ilies/baby.gif

[Moi]

And what if they should happen to fail? Are they going to walk home?

[Laz]

Seriously, Why would you fail? That would just prove you're not ready to ride anything. The restricted test is actually longer than the full test.http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/im...ilies/bleh.gif

[swbarnett]

Are you kidding? So you're saying it's OK to ride a bike you're not legally allowed to ride just for the test? The test period is no different to any other time on the road, legally. You have to ride a bike you're licensed to ride.

[Moi]

You could fail for a number of reasons... so, if you fail what do you do?

Also, as you arrive on a restricted licence to undertake the test you have to ride a LAMs approved bike to the test...

[This last statement has already been said... jeez wayne this internet thingy is fast...]

[Laz]

You lot are missing the whole point! What I'm saying is, The law should be changed to allow a transition period to bigger bikes during the restricted license period. Car owners can drive any bloody thing they like with a restricted license. SHEESH! Nah, Not saying anymore. I'll get kicked off here if I do.

[Gremlin]

You lot are missing the whole point! What I'm saying is, The law should be changed to allow a transition period to bigger bikes during the restricted license period.

It's called...

LAMS



As said... you are not legally allowed to ride anything non-LAMS/over 250 etc. until you have your full licence. It's exactly the same as a learner driver needing a supervisor when they drive to their restricted test. Perhaps there should be a transition period for that too?

[swbarnett]

You lot are missing the whole point!

In all fairness it wasn't very well stated.

This is better...

The law should be changed to allow a transition period to bigger bikes during the restricted license period.

The problem with this is the requirement for riders to be evaluated as to their readiness to move up by someone qualified to do so. That's what the current test is for.

Car owners can drive any bloody thing they like with a restricted license.

This is a different matter. More that car drives should be held to the same restrictions as motorcyclists.

[Laz]

It's called...

LAMS



As said... you are not legally allowed to ride anything non-LAMS/over 250 etc. until you have your full licence. It's exactly the same as a learner driver needing a supervisor when they drive to their restricted test. Perhaps there should be a transition period for that too?

And after the restricted test they don't need a supervisor. Are you really that thick? Take someone with you = Simple.

PS: I don't give a Rats Arse if you are a moderator on this site, I'm not talking about Learners here. I'm talking about full licence.

[Laz]

In all fairness it wasn't very well stated.

This is better...

The problem with this is the requirement for riders to be evaluated as to their readiness to move up by someone qualified to do so. That's what the current test is for.


This is a different matter. More that car drives should be held to the same restrictions as motorcyclists.

Thank you, Maybe motorcyclists can transition into bigger bikes through the restricted period if they changed the law is what I'm saying.

[deerworrier]

as a current 6r holder I would rather see a system in place that allowed me to "speed up" the year wait by actually taking lessons from an instructor. im not entirely sure what the value of the year is? you rock up to a tennis court or the likes, spin around on a 125/250 for 12min then answer 30 questions that are laughable at best and your off, go get yourself a 660cc bike and take to the road, week later do your restricted and then.....nothing, just ride around for a year or more likely until the end of summer and then a few good days every now and then until the next test.
would it not be of more value to follow an almost car route where you take lessons and then when you and the instructor are happy you sit your full? at least this way rather than riding like a saint for 30min one time you can actually receive some tuition and learn a bit of roadcraft along the way.
I have taken 2x1hr rides since passing my restricted to gain some feedback on my road position, speed through corners, hazard observation and a general measure of my ability. I don't see how 12months or 3 makes any difference. the bronze ACC course (if anyone ever comes to taranaki to do 1) could the successful completion of this not be a measure of ability and count towards a reduction in the 12month period. it all seems rather arbitrary.

just my noob outlook as it were.

[nzspokes]

And after the restricted test they don't need a supervisor. Are you really that thick? Take someone with you = Simple.

PS: I don't give a Rats Arse if you are a moderator on this site, I'm not talking about Learners here. I'm talking about full licence.

For a start, try getting insurance on a bike you are not licenced to ride. Do you think all people sitting the full test should do it on a 1200?

BTW car licences will be changing soon to restrict motor size.

[AllanB]

I think you need to stop thinking ..........

Basically until they have completed and passed the test they are not legally permitted to ride a non LAMs approved bike. Very simple.

[Ulsterkiwi]

.....it all seems rather arbitrary......

and there we have it. At some point there will have to be a cut off otherwise the system becomes unworkable.

Yes a transition would be good but as others have said, decisions would have to be made about the progression and a rider's readiness to do so. The system in place has a transition of sorts, not perfect but an improvement on the previous one.

Its not what the OP was talking about but in my limited time and experience I have seen plenty of riders on powerful machines, with a licence and their skill set leaves something to be desired. The revisions in the licencing system have been as much about transitioning to a scenario where learning and applying roadcraft is a more integral part of the licencing process.

I also think to call learner bikes "fartboxes" is more than a bit inaccurate. There are quite a few machines out there which fall into the LAMS scheme and are more than capable. The common denominator of a well thought out LAMS bike is that they are lively enough at real world speeds, the power restrictions have more impact on the top speeds which should only be happening on the race track (and road licences do not matter). How long it takes to get to those speeds is less affected when bikes with lots low to mid range torque are produced, as they have been. So if its straight line speed then CC rules but who wants a bike to go in a straight line?

[TheDemonLord]

Buy a 650 CC LAMS bike.
*cough*derestrict it*cough*
Take test on full power 650
Pass full licence test with virtually no mistakes.
Buy Hayabusa.

Not that I did this of course.