Ah yes, the Mythical 'Everyone' that's invoked when your argument has nothing of actual substance.Originally Posted by Woodman
Mate, everyone thinks your stupid, not just dictators.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Ah yes, the Mythical 'Everyone' that's invoked when your argument has nothing of actual substance.Mate, everyone thinks your stupid, not just dictators.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Kiwibiker
To my mind, his North Korea thing was a shambles. Wind up some tension banging the war drums. Only to then turn around and give them the credibility and respect they craved. Will they give away their bargaining card (nukes) that got America to the table? Not a bloody chance. So Trump gave them what they wanted for nothing in return. I fail to see any "winning" in that lot.
Don't forget, the trade war has sucked colossal amounts of money out of local economies due to lost business for farming states and then the double whammy of a lot of goods going up in price. I learned that Americans are very, very much focused on image. Many lived in a house that was just about falling down, but had a near new pick up truck, or flash car parked outside. The throw away mentality has to be seen to be believed. I have many mind numbing examples. Like the federal prison up the road that every two years would buy a fleet of new lawn mowers, and push the old ones into a ditch and cover them over - regardless of condition. A town with over 15000 people in a farming community and not one single engineering shop - why? Because they do not fix anything, they throw it away and get a new one - no matter the machinery size or cost. A NZ based farming community that size would easily have 3 to 4 engineering shops. Americans are concerned about here and now and they sure as heck do not want to give up their throwaway lifestyle. They blame Trump for their current pain, and they are not wrong, his policies are hurting them bad. I honestly do not see re-election in his future.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Simply getting to the negotiating table IMO was a Win. And one that he should get credit for (and doesn't get enough).
There are a few things I think you are spot on about - I don't see North Korea abandoning it's Nuclear Ambition anytime soon. At the same time, the possibility of getting the new Kim to at least be neutral and not so hostile, maybe providing North Korea a path back to redemption (I hate that I have to clarify that part of that would involve some massive internal changes).
We'll see, I'm sure they do blame Trump (everyone blames the current Administration for the issues Du Jour), it's whether they think the alternative will be any better - However much money they may be loosing to the Trade War, it'd likely be much worse under the '[s]socialist[/s] Green new Deal' of the type championed by the AOCs of this world.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Geriatric hoon
You are definitely a master of the wrong take. Kim Jong Un had wanted international recognition, the previous presidents refused to give it to him. Trump gave him all the trappings of an international statesman and got nothing in return. Intelligence suggests the DPRK continues its nuke programme unabated.
He is a crap deal maker. When his publisher was asked how much of "The Art Of The Deal" Trump had written, the reply was,
"He didn't even write us a Christmas card."
Trump doesn't read, his general knowledge is very poor, as is his vocabulary. As the consequences of his 'high crimes and misdemeanours' close in, his mental condition is going to deteriorate markedly and for someone in his condition to have access to the nuclear codes is a worry.
Here's a better take: https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/1162...ont-be-stopped
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Rasta Ratskins
I read that article and have to agree. It just hits the nail on the head on every point. I dont concur tho about his downfall will be a joy to watch. Tragic in a way although I have zero pity for him. USA will have a bit of a cleanup to do...
Only a Rat can win a Rat Race!
The Majestic Metal Wizard
If you don't talk to North Korea, eventually you'll have to go to war with them. Sweeping a problem under the carpet and ignoring it hasn't served any President well since the 1950s.
It baffles me that you can say he's a Crap Deal Maker - regardless of his Politics or your personal feelings on the matter, anyone who has reached the heights of business that he has, initial start-up loans or not, Bankruptcies or not, Must empirically be good at Deal Making, regardless of whether he wrote the book or not. I simply point to it because it appears to be the same strategy he employs:
"I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it!"
becomes
"Mexico tightens southern border security"
Is that the same as Jacinda not knowing the difference between China and Japan? Or not understanding the US Constitution? or any other N number of faux pas?
I don't know if Trump does or doesn't read, and yes - his manner of speaking is 'Unique', he's certainly not an Orator of the kind like JRM or Boris Johnson. His manner is 'plain' and yet, for him, it seems to work.
As for the Nuclear Codes - I again bring up his refusal to issue a retaliation strike for the US drone. I'm about 75% sure that all the US presidents in my living memory would have initiated some form of Military action for that. What does that say about Trump?
Is that Wave like the Blue wave that was meant to happen in the Mid-Terms?
Or is that like the 'Hilary is guaranteed to get in' wave?
Or that Britain won't vote to leave the EU?
We've seen and heard this sort of thing before, by the same groups of people, and each subsequent time it's turned out to be false, I see no reason to believe this time will be any different.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
L-Plate Rider
I dont even need to read it to know its the delusions of some retarded lefty that doesnt have half a clue about whats going on.
As Trump said today the entire thing is an orchestrated COUP attempt on a duly elected president of the united states.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...79573541511176
I feel Trump will soon have to take the kid gloves off and things are going to start to get real. These people that are staging the coup have to be held to account. And imo they will be. Because all the evidence of who has been frauding is now in the public domain and it WAS NOT TRUMP!!
These delusions of impeaching Trump are laughable to the absolute extreme.
What happens when he doesnt get impeached? What next?? Thats right you lot have got NOTHING left.
Que crazed libs screaming at the sky again ala 2016.
L-Plate Rider
The Trump Ukraine timeline:
March 11, 2014
John O Brennan (CIA Director under Obama) admits that he indeed took a trip to Kiev, Ukraine to meet with Ukranian Officials. It is suggested in 2019 that his trip was not known because he used a fake passport
RT
-August 2014
Hunter and Joe Biden pictured golfing with Devon Archer, who served of the board of supervisors; Burisma Holdings which Victor Shokin later investigated for corruption
Spoiler!
-Middle March 2016
Joe Biden Strong Arms Ukraine with $1B USD into Firing Victor Shokin who was investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma. Brags about it in front of an audience but tells them it was becaue Shokin wasnt doing enough to investigate corrupt Ukrainian officials. Main Stream media and Democrat Politicians continue to parrot this lie
-End of March 2016
Ukraine's Prosecutor General says that 3 of Biden's lawyers meet with him to apologize for "dissemination false news" regarding the investigation of Ukrainian officials (Meaning telling everyone that Shokin was fired for not investigating corrupt officials rather than investigating Hunter Biden's corruption)
Prosecutor General Memo
-Jan 2017; Right as the Democrats take control of the House of Representatives. Most notably, the House Intelligence committee, Chaired by Adam Schiff (D-CA), and the House Judiciary Committee, Chaired by Jerry Nadler (D- NY)
"Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.”
-March 20, 2019
Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko alleges he received a Do Not Prosecute List from Obama Appointed Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch
-March 21, 2019
IG Inspector Michael Horowitz confirms Year long probe into Obama Era Carter Page FISA Abuse Probe is still open
-April 1, 2019
The Hill reports with Victor Shokin (later gets fired in conjunction with pressure from Joe Biden and $1B USD)
that Joe Biden's gloating re-opens the investigation into Hunter Biden BECAUSE Joe Biden leave's out key details during his gloat session
The Hill
-April 7, 2019.
Ukraine reaches out to US Democrats to let them know of Biden's doings (New Administration in Ukraine, New party, New direction). Democrats turn them down.
The Hill
-April 2019
Victor Shokin releases his 12 page Affidavit online that says he was indeed fired for investigating Hunter Biden among other things
Victor Shokin Affidavit that democrats/MSM are ignoring
-May 24, 2018
Whistleblower requirements of 'first-hand' knowledge appears to be changed via the IC IG ICWPA Form 401 from 'reliable first hand knowledge' to 'second hand knowledge'
**Twitter Link
^^^^Second Picture, First Paragraph^^^^
**2nd Twitter Link
-June 20, 2019
Joe Biden refuses to answer questions regarding Hunter Biden's business dealings
ABC News
-July 25, 2019. Donald Trump asks President Zelinsky to re-open the investigation into Hunter Biden which was closed due to Joe Biden's interference on his phone call
-Aug 12, 2019
Whistleblower complaint filed
-Aug 22, 2019
IG Inspector Michael Horowitz Completes Carter Page (Obama Era) FISA Abuse Probe
-Aug 24, 2019
A staffer for Rep. Adam Schiff's House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence took a trip to Ukraine last month sponsored and organized by the Atlantic Council think tank (a partner of Burisma; the company that HUnter Biden was a Senior Board member of and Victor Shokin was fired for investigating for suspision of corruption)
Link
-Sept 24, 2019
Nancy Pelosi announces Impeachment inquiry
-Sept 25, 2109
Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, admits she hasnt read the Trump-Ukraine transcript
-Sept 26, 2019
Adam Schiff fabricates "quotes" of the transcript the White House released in a hearing
Twitter Link
-Sept 26, 2019
DOJ releases memo that shows political bias on part of whistleblower
The Political Insider
-Sept 26, 2019
Washington Post:
Former Ukraine General Prosecutor Yuri Lutsenko says he found no evidence of corruption in Hunter Biden Case
-Sept 27, 2019
Former Ukranian Prime Minister says Ukraine must investigate to see if Hunter Biden complied with the country's laws
Ukraine MUST investigate Hunter Biden
-Sept 27, 2019
The Federalist reports on the Whistleblower requirements being altered
The Federalist
-Sept 28, 2019
CNN Incorrectly "Fact Checks" Trumps facts regarding Joe Biden's visit to Ukraine. They are inccorect regarding:
1. Shokin investigating Hunter Biden
2. Biden did indeed pressure Ukraine to fire Shokin
3. Biden LITERALLY brags about getting Shokin fired in a 2018 video
The rest is pretty much conjecture and "it seems as if" type "fact checking"
CNN "Fact Checking"
-Sept 30
Trump tweets about the rule change regarding the whistleblower rule and secondhand knowledge
-Main Stream Media IMMEDIATELY call it a conspiracy
*CNN
*The Huffington Post
*NBC News
-Sept 30, 2019
'60 Minutes' "misinterprets" Lawyers requests for Joseph Maguire, the director of national intelligence, for “appropriate resources to ensure [their client’s] safety” as the whistleblower under federal protection as they are afraid for their lives even though only the Intelligence community, the FBI and DOJ know their identity.
Politico
-Sept 30, 2019
NYT run the headline/tweet: Breaking News: President Trump pushed Australia's prime minister to help Attorney General William Barr in an investigation intended to rebut the Mueller inquiry. However, Trump states in an interview several days earlier that he "hopes Barr will look at UK, Australia and everyone."
The New York Times
Dan Bongino Explains why it is sensationalized via Bongino.com
-Oct 1, 2019
Investigation re-opened into former Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko
It is no co-incidence the dem's/MSM went into full freakout mode when they realized Trump, Guilliani and co were actually going to Ukraine and asking the current president of Ukraine to look into Biden and co.
Forum whore
You are arguing with an ignorant old dick head. Don't waste your breath.
Lets go Brandon
Forum whore
Also predictable.....
I mentioned vegetables once, but I think I got away with it...........
Anorak
Someone's posting about trumps accomplishments also forgot that North Korea and South Koreaswere having negotiations well before trump got involved.
In May 2017 Moon Jae-in was elected President of South Korea with a promise to return to the Sunshine Policy.In his New Year address for 2018, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un proposed sending a delegation to the upcoming Winter Olympics in South Korea. The Seoul–Pyongyang hotline was reopened after almost two years.At the Winter Olympics, North and South Korea marched together in the opening ceremony and fielded a united women's ice hockey team.] As well as the athletes, North Korea sent an unprecedented high-level delegation, headed by Kim Yo-jong, sister of Kim Jong-un, and President Kim Yong-nam, and including performers like the Samjiyon Orchestra. A North Korean art troupe also performed in two separate South Korean cities, including Seoul, in honor of the Olympic games as well. The North Korean ship which carried the art troupe, Man Gyong Bong 92, was also the first North Korean ship to arrive in South Korea since 2002.The delegation passed on an invitation to President Moon to visit North Korea.
Following the Olympics, authorities of the two countries raised the possibility that they could host the 2021 Asian Winter Games together. On 1 April, South Korean K-pop stars performed a concert in Pyongyang entitled "Spring is Coming", which was attended by Kim Jong-un and his wife. The K-pop stars were part of a 160-member South Korean art troupe which performed in North Korea in early April 2018.It also marked the first time since 2005 that any South Korean artist performed in North Korea. Meanwhile, propaganda broadcasts stopped on both sides.
Kim and Moon shake hands in greeting at the demarcation line.
On 27 April, a summit took place between Moon and Kim in the South Korean zone of the Joint Security Area. It was the first time since the Korean War that a North Korean leader had entered South Korean territory.North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and South Korea's President Moon Jae-in met at the line that divides Korea.The summit ended with both countries pledging to work towards complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. They also vowed to declare an official end to the Korean War within a year. As part of the Panmunjom Declaration which was signed by leaders of both countries, both sides also called for the end of longstanding military activities in the region of the Korean border and a reunification of Korea.Also, the leaders agreed to work together to connect and modernise their railways.
On 5 May, North Korea adjusted its time zone to match the South's. In May, South Korea began removing propaganda loudspeakers from the border area in line with the Panmunjom Declaration.
Moon and Kim met a second time on 26 May to discuss Kim's upcoming summit with TrumpRemember whjen that crackpot tosser Yokel, used to post nutjob rants he found on a thread on a bodybuilding forum.
Have a read of this and see if it sounds familiar.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1588934151
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131142420
I am not saying hes yokel of course
Just they clearly shared the same lead paint pasta and mercury pudding as kids
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
L-Plate Rider
Further on the Ukraine "whistleblower":
-“Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form may have been doctored, post factum, concerning the acceptance of 2nd hand information."
-"If you go into properties of the .pdf file of the form, it shows it was created on Sept 24, 2019. It also shows it was then modified on Sept 25th, 2019.
They tried to backdate it to August when the "whistleblower" submitted his complaint but the actual change in policy to allow hearsay was actually changed on Sept 24,2019 which was right after lawyers revealed the "whistleblower" cannot claim whistleblower protection because the law does not allow for hearsay. After that was being reported someone rushed in on 9/24/2019 and created a new form to allow hearsay then on 9/25/2019 they went back and modified the form to change the revision date to Rev: AUG 2019 which is not the proper format for the date.
"They are engaging in a cover up of a cover up to back date the new rule to Aug 2019 which is when the "whistleblower" submitted the complaint."
They are also COMPLETELY ignoring former Ukrainian PM saying that Ukraine SHOULD investigate Hunter Biden's corruptness
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WC1T3
Geriatric hoon
As opposed to a completely thick young dick head who doesn't even know where he lives?
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
L-Plate Rider
I wouldnt care where I lived either if I had a thick young dick....
Just kidding I do.
Anorak
You and katman share similar proclivities.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
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