ACC/Pro Rider Silver course

[Corse1]

Did a silver course yesterday. Learnt a few tips that were valuable but learning how to wave cars past you at 90kph was not one of them. That aside it was well worth the subsidised $50 fee. I will consider a golf course now.

I think as riders it is easy to become complacent as far as identifying and assessing obstacles as you ride. These courses can bring you back down to earth so you actually practice what you already new.


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[Corse1]

Of course that was supposed to be GOLD course even though I am partial to the odd afternoon of smacking the little white ball around.


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[swbarnett]

Right hand wheel line in the right hand lane, I get out there as soon as I can.

I always keep to the left wheel track in the right lane (debris and road surface not withstanding). That way I have an easier escape route if the car in front stops suddenly and the one behind can't stop in time. Also you're more visible to those in the lane to your left, less chance of someone assuming there's a gap that they can move in to.

In the left lane I'm in the right wheel track for the same reasons. In the center lane it depends on where the traffic around me is sitting.

lanes 1a and 2a are a different matter entirely...

[rambaldi]

We don't really have a real motorway down here.

I lived in Auckland for 20 some years, but I've managed to avoid the place since 2003. I consider that to be my greatest effort at hazard avoidance, right there.

In regard to positioning on multi lanes, we have a few multi lane arterials here. I suggest to people that they consider motorists blind spots, and ride to stay out of them. Even at 60 kmh on a 60 kmh road, it's worth considering if the car ahead and to your right can see you in their mirror, should they bother to look.

I also usually suggest motorcycling naked. People will almost always see you if you are naked. Wearing a helmet, of course, I don't want to suggest doing anything dangerous.

I ride a naked, does that count? Or do I need to go all the way and get my bits out?

[george formby]

I ride a naked, does that count? Or do I need to go all the way and get my bits out?

That gives me an idea. I think Pro rider should pull all their attendees together, no, wait. Get all their attendees together for a pink tutu rider safety and awareness campaign. I would be happy to boil my white tutu with beetroot, I'm eco, and you could wear Scottish underpants beneath your tutu. Win win.

[Old Steve]

That gives me an idea. I think Pro rider should pull all their attendees together, no, wait. Get all their attendees together for a pink tutu rider safety and awareness campaign. I would be happy to boil my white tutu with beetroot, I'm eco, and you could wear Scottish underpants beneath your tutu. Win win.

Which raises the question, what's worn beneath Old Steve'a tutu?

Nothings worn, it's as good as it ever was!

[george formby]

Which raises the question, what's worn beneath Old Steve'a tutu?

Nothings worn, it's as good as it ever was!

Regular fluid and filter changes. Very important.

[Bass]

Nothings worn, it's as good as it ever was!

That must be disappointing - commiserations.

[Old Steve]

Something that the instructor told us on the silver course I did. From ACC stats, based on the number of motorbikes registered and the number of accidents they have, motor bike riders have 22 times the accident rate of other vehicles.

But, those wearing a hi-viz vest are 37% less likely to have an accident.

Do what you like, but the hi-viz will always be part of my motorcycling gear.

[swbarnett]

Something that the instructor told us on the silver course I did. From ACC stats, based on the number of motorbikes registered and the number of accidents they have, motor bike riders have 22 times the accident rate of other vehicles.

But, those wearing a hi-viz vest are 37% less likely to have an accident.

Do what you like, but the hi-viz will always be part of my motorcycling gear.

Correlation does not mean causation.

It is likely that, statistically, those that wear hi-vis are already safer riders than those that don't on a population basis. This will bias any study on hi-vis wearing to show an apparent causality where there likely is none.

[Bass]

Correlation does not mean causation.

It is likely that, statistically, those that wear hi-vis are already safer riders than those that don't on a population basis.

Agreed and if there is a 37% difference between the 2 groups, given the very high proportion ( and growing it seems) of motorcycle accidents that are single vehicle events, then it is almost certain that hi viz cannot be the sole reason for the difference.

This will bias any study on hi-vis wearing to show an apparent causality where there likely is none.

Maybe, but maybe not too. It's a big assumption to totally write off high viz. I haven't seen many studies but what I have read is split on this one.

[swbarnett]

It's a big assumption to totally write off high viz. I haven't seen many studies but what I have read is split on this one.

Agreed. I don't write off hi-viz because of the studies (or rather what I think of them). I write off hi-viz because of how often car drivers don't see fire engines and trains. Also, I don't want to wear something that has the potential to lull me into a false sense of security.

[Maha]

Agreed. I don't write off hi-viz because of the studies (or rather what I think of them). I write off hi-viz because of how often car drivers don't see fire engines and trains. Also, I don't want to wear something that has the potential to lull me into a false sense of security.

So that's the last we'll see of that Elmo Onesy?

[swbarnett]

So that's the last we'll see of that Elmo Onesy?

Say what?

I must be missing something.

[nzspokes]

Agreed and if there is a 37% difference between the 2 groups, given the very high proportion ( and growing it seems) of motorcycle accidents that are single vehicle events, then it is almost certain that hi viz cannot be the sole reason for the difference.




Maybe, but maybe not too. It's a big assumption to totally write off high viz. I haven't seen many studies but what I have read is split on this one.

Wonder how many wear hiviz because they are scared of their own shadows and only ride from time to time?