What I see as a motorcyclist eight years on - A tribute to Kiwi Biker

**EJK** · 19th May 2016, 12:47

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Those signs are for a bad vehicle in adverse conditions. To the rest of us they are only a guide.

I thought they were minimum speed.

**Katman** · 19th May 2016, 12:59

Originally Posted by cassina

There is no such thing as a bad vehicle for NZ roads as long as it has a warrant.

Really?

You don't seem to have a very clear understanding of the warrant process.

**scumdog** · 19th May 2016, 13:04

Originally Posted by cassina

I thought there would have only been one answer being not losing sight of the guy in front. .

A sure recipe for 'follow-on' crashes - all going over the same bank that the first one went over...

**Maha** · 19th May 2016, 13:22

Originally Posted by scumdog

A sure recipe for 'follow-on' crashes - all going over the same bank that the first one went over...

The Lemming effect.

**pritch** · 19th May 2016, 13:39

I have cassina on ignore, but when somebody quotes her I sadly get to see what she has to say. Her "I thought there would have only been one answer being not losing sight of the guy in front." is almost perfectly wrong. She could not just have become this misinformed by accident, this has taken serious and sustained effort.

You never watch the rider in front, you look around them. Failing to do that is, as SD says, a recipe for following the leading rider into whatever adventure they are having, but which you would normally prefer to avoid.

Her posts on KB should be accompanied by a warning to new riders against following any advice she offers.

**Maha** · 19th May 2016, 14:46

Originally Posted by pritch

I have cassina on ignore, but when somebody quotes her I sadly get to see what she has to say.

Originally Posted by cassina

I was just being sarcastic with my comment and those who remember my previous coments in posts on group rides would see that but fair enough for pointing out how dangerous my comment was to readers that that may not be aware of my real view which I should have done and I will correct the post.

He will able to read it now....you're welcome pritch

**nzspokes** · 19th May 2016, 14:49

Originally Posted by cassina

I was just being sarcastic with my comment and those who remember my previous coments in posts on group rides would see that but fair enough for pointing out how dangerous my comment was to readers that that may not be aware of my real view which I should have done and I will correct the post.

Also need warnings for the appalling use of English.

**Katman** · 19th May 2016, 15:12

Originally Posted by cassina

You are perhaps thinking of inspectors that dont follow it rather than the process itself. If there was any faults with the process they would have been addressed by now. What faults exist in your opinion?

The mere fact that a vehicle has a warrant does not automatically indicate that it is road worthy.

It might have been road worthy when the warrant inspection was done but a lot can change within 12 months.

**haydes55** · 19th May 2016, 15:36

So what we all learnt from professor Cassina today is a lotus and a Mack truck have the same safe corner speeds.

Thank you for your wisdom

**Voltaire** · 19th May 2016, 15:48

Originally Posted by Maha

What really surprised me was that about 1/2 of those on the ride were very new to riding, put on the spot but answered the question.
A few photo's of how not to corner.

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The vehicle with the trailer should have planned his overtaking of the bike earlier?

They must drive on the right where this pic was taken.
Although we don't know how fast the vehicle was going as it may have stopped and waved the rider on.

**Moi** · 19th May 2016, 15:59

Originally Posted by Voltaire

The vehicle with the trailer should have planned his overtaking of the bike earlier?

I'd suggest that the biker is overtaking the vehicle and horse float, it appears to have an EU style registration plate...

**Moi** · 19th May 2016, 16:07

Originally Posted by cassina

Possibly the highest speed most drivers/riders can get around without coming to grief. To put it up would mean fewer drivers/riders getting around the bend without coming to grief. They would have no doubt used a complex formula when selecting the speed.

I take issue with your statement...

I drive an elderly large Toymoto which probably needs new shocks... but I can go round most curves with a speed advisory sign at a speed above the advisory speed without any problems...

The speeds are advisory speeds... see this: http://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadco...is-sign-mean9/

**Maha** · 19th May 2016, 16:41

Originally Posted by Moi

I'd suggest that the biker is overtaking the vehicle and horse float, it appears to have an EU style registration plate...

Correct, otherwise why would I have posted it...

The horse float (as an example) being over the center line is a concern often seen on our roads. Milk Tankers are just a tad to wide for some country roads in NZ.

Have edited the post to ease confusion.

**george formby** · 19th May 2016, 17:04

Originally Posted by Maha

Correct, otherwise why would I have posted it...

The horse float (as an example) being over the center line is a concern often seen on our roads. Milk Tankers are just a tad to wide for some country roads in NZ.

Have edited the post to ease confusion.

LOL. I've seen them on roads just slightly wider than the tanker. Bit of a shock coming around a corner to see Fonterra's finest coming at ya. They have good brakes, though.

Speaking (drivel) of speed advisory signs... Their are not many to be seen on gravel roads with a posted 100kmh limit. Food for thought for those of a cretain opinion.

**CB ARGH** · 19th May 2016, 19:18

I'm pretty sure the road code states the speed posted on a corner sign is a "safe recommended speed in good conditions". However - I use these as a guideline. Most vehicles and especially haydes55's Lotus with Pamela in the back can handle these corners at a higher speed than what is posted. 75's and 65's are a down shift and a dab at the brakes, but when a sign says 25 - I believe that shit and slow down.

As promised the pic of the off-roading experience on Scenic Drive. It's not the best pic but shows the skid marks which lead up the bank. Reminder - somehow didn't drop the bike! The biker gods must've been looking out for me!