You pricks are costing us taxpayers too much money

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fuck y'all. Time to ban MURDERCYCLES.


http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/midd...#axzz46dcRciDu

[Scuba_Steve]

Fuck y'all. Time to ban MURDERCYCLES.

Don't worry it's coming...

[AllanB]

They will probably decide to make us mature riders have to ride LAMS bikes .....

It's typical low level news really - whooo-do-doooo, So how much does it cost to cover some of the car crash victims?

[Spearfish]

They will probably decide to make us mature riders have to ride LAMS bikes .....

It's typical low level news really - whooo-do-doooo, So how much does it cost to cover some of the car crash victims?

Must be quite a bit considering diesel work trucks/utes etc are ACC heavy.

[Berries]

Hardly news is it, someone has to be at the top of the list.

[rebyl]

I guess I had better hang up my boots to stop the country going broke....Yeah right

[Oakie]

Statistics like this are only useful alongside other data ... specifically in this case, how many people ride in each age group. In my unscientific opinion based on the percentage of people with grey hair at bike race meetings, I would expect that middle aged men make up the majority of motorcyclists so it make sense that middle aged men have the most accidents.

For perspective ... what breed of dog is implicated in most dog bite incidents?

The answer is .... labradors. Not because they are dangerous ... but because there's so damned many of the fuckers! Just like us middle aged men of the two wheeled brigade.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Fuck it, I give enough of my money back in taxes that I'd enjoy a free helicopter ride if I crash

[Madness]

Hardly news is it, someone has to be at the top of the list.

Cassina? .

[george formby]

Statistics like this are only useful alongside other data ... specifically in this case, how many people ride in each age group. In my unscientific opinion based on the percentage of people with grey hair at bike race meetings, I would expect that middle aged men make up the majority of motorcyclists so it make sense that middle aged men have the most accidents.

For perspective ... what breed of dog is implicated in most dog bite incidents?

The answer is .... labradors. Not because they are dangerous ... but because there's so damned many of the fuckers! Just like us middle aged men of the two wheeled brigade.

Concur. It's not particularly enlightening in such a narrow context.

[Ocean1]

In my unscientific opinion based on the percentage of people with grey hair at bike race meetings, I would expect that middle aged men make up the majority of motorcyclists so it make sense that middle aged men have the most accidents.

Don't have the numbers in front of me but you're right, there's a huge hump in the riding age demographic graph. More than I'd thought, and I'd noticed the same things you had out on the road.

What is interesting though is the inference that because we cost more in terms of remuneration payout we're less entitled to either ride bikes or expect ACC cover.

[rocketman1]

Statistics like this are only useful alongside other data ... specifically in this case, how many people ride in each age group. In my unscientific opinion based on the percentage of people with grey hair at bike race meetings, I would expect that middle aged men make up the majority of motorcyclists so it make sense that middle aged men have the most accidents.

For perspective ... what breed of dog is implicated in most dog bite incidents?

The answer is .... labradors. Not because they are dangerous ... but because there's so damned many of the fuckers! Just like us middle aged men of the two wheeled brigade.

Agree with you . It is an unbalanced arguement.

[Duncan74]

What is interesting though is the inference that because we cost more in terms of remuneration payout we're less entitled to either ride bikes or expect ACC cover.

In other taxation systems then the income related tax would offset the increased payouts, but as ACC is on vehicles, then the only way you could attempt to proxy that would be to charge ACC levy based on value of bike, and even that would be way off.

I guess you could take the interpretation you have from the article, but I thought it provided clear justification for continued funding of Ride Forever.

Someone above made a comment (in jest) about restricting us mid life crisis riders to LAMS machines. Now clearly that's not going to happen as a blanket, but you can see some merit in considering restricting people that have not ridden for 15 years from when they sold the bike aged 25 to LAMs and for 6 months. Note the 'some merit'. Note saying this would prevent all deaths or would be necessary to all.

There's some interesting stuff on http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/statistics/ in relation to where the money is spent. I'm not convinced by the data in some of the cycling tables, but the sporting spreadsheet was interesting. Motorcycling much higher than rugby which I didn't expect, I had wrongly thought the volume of claims would offset the severity of motorcycling claims. And I'm not sure I've seen an equivalent to ride forever for netball despite being right up there in $ per annum.

Looking forward to seeing 2015 and the cost of my ankle injury / treatment / rehab from a running injury. By far the biggest drain I've ever been on the state since leaving university 20 years back. Ironically, the inability to drive (right foot) and the desire to prevent being a bludger off ACC for taxis to get to work is what made me get my bike license....

[Ocean1]

In other taxation systems then the income related tax would offset the increased payouts, but as ACC is on vehicles, then the only way you could attempt to proxy that would be to charge ACC levy based on value of bike, and even that would be way off.

I guess you could take the interpretation you have from the article, but I thought it provided clear justification for continued funding of Ride Forever.

Is the ACC component of bike registration used to cover renumeration loss?

I rather thought that it would be the employer and employee levies, which are relative to earnings. Not, I hasten to add that I think rich pricks should automatically be expected to pay more, they do so almost across the board wrt value received in return.

And let's not forget that ACC was set up to cover everyone, regardless of the ability to pay. Or does that feature only cover those that can't pay?

Someone above made a comment (in jest) about restricting us mid life crisis riders to LAMS machines. Now clearly that's not going to happen as a blanket, but you can see some merit in considering restricting people that have not ridden for 15 years from when they sold the bike aged 25 to LAMs and for 6 months. Note the 'some merit'. Note saying this would prevent all deaths or would be necessary to all.

Some merit for ACC.

None whatsoever for those who simply want to make their own decisions without interference.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What is interesting though is the inference that because we cost more in terms of remuneration payout we're less entitled to either ride bikes or expect ACC cover.

In my view it is an exercise in victim blaming. The next step is pogroms, book burnings and lynchings.

My questions also revolve around why: why is this in the news now? whose agenda does it promote?


I will nail my colours to the mast here and declare a bias: I loathe this current government. But the point is: the idea of ACC is that it is a "no fault"s system and we as a country have spent a large amount of time and effort and money to develop it and nurture it. Singling out groups (as this does) is to undermine the principles of that system.

The interesting thing to me is that rugby (followed by netball) costs the country the most in sports injuries every year by a long way: but is it singled out in that way? of course not.

Fuckers. All of them.