Staying warm

[Pound]

but a plug

Sorry, that's all I could see in your post.

[nzspokes]

I'm riding to National Park first thing tomorrow. Guess I'll see how good I'm set up for the cold.

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[BuzzardNZ]

I'm riding to National Park first thing tomorrow. Guess I'll see how good I'm set up for the cold.

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I think you'll be fine...

[Oakie]

Warm socks under Revit boots
Revit pants with liner
Revit jacket with waterproof layer and winter warmer layer under the outside jacket
Good gloves, 5 years old but still going (even if there is duct tape holding one wrist together)
HEATED HANDGRIPS - the one thing I'll never do without on a bike
merino balaclava
a neck warmer that my daughter sewed together for me when she had some polar fleece left over from something.

Generally on cold days when i walk into work and the cagers say "aren't you cold' ... they wouldnt suspect that I'm probabaly warmer than they are after their walk in from the carpark.

There is no such thing as cold. There is just a poor choice of clothing.

[nzspokes]

I think you'll be fine...

Yup thats the colour I expected your bike to be.

[neels]

Don't have too many dramas with the cold.

Good thermal socks inside good boots, feeties are fine.
Textile pants (can't remember the make and can't be bothered going to look) with long thermals if it gets really cold (like brass monkey cold), legs are fine.
Long sleeved merino, long sleeved light polar fleece, if really cold a single layer rain jacket for the wind, leather jacket, warm enough and can still move my limbs.
Silk balaclava under the helmet tucked into the neck of the polar fleece, chin and nose toasty.
Merino glove liners inside pretty standard motorcycling gloves, marginal and really should get heated grips one of these days.

Only thing on the shopping list is decent wet weather gear, if it rains I freeze.

[IronPawz]

one reason your hands and feet get cold is your body when cold limits the blood flow to them so the returning blood doesn't cool the core down to a critical level, heated grips might transfer a bit of heat to your core, a heated jacket does your core and the warm bllod flows to the extremeities as per normal, i've done ten day trips to the brass with cotton socks, all i can wear, and rubber boots, (waterprrof) remmeber getting cold toes twice all up plus once you've got grips they stay on that bike whereas the jacket moves along with you, and youy don't have to bulk up on clothes either

That makes really good sense and it is worth some science related testing. Can we devise some simple tests here? Weather is not consistent but my ride is and with all those layers (and my back pack to hold spares) it could be done.

-Test one- If I use a hottie down the front to warm the core more can I wear less thermals and stay warm enough? I never currently have an issue with feet in general socks and my current boots (Alpinestare en13634 - made in Croatia - learn something new everyday). I have heated grips and good gloves (alpinestare arctic) bit can I lose some thermal layers and not get cold (currently tee-shirt, two tight termals, two thin thermal hoodies) and still be ok. I really notice those layers in areas of cold I could reasonably judge (subjective not perfect science but good enough for a fun piss around test).

So I will try if it is cold enough tomorrow loosing a tight thermal and a hoodie (which will be nice on my neck as I wear one hoodie up and it causes bulk around the back of the helmet and contributes to neck pain).

Is this a reasonable test and can we improve it or does in fact anyone give a crap to try it other than me? Oh the plastics could be a variable also (only wear them in serious cold or obvious wet but it changes a lot between here and town and I don't watch the weather at all - spoils the surprise.

[IronPawz]

Warm socks under Revit boots
Revit pants with liner
Revit jacket with waterproof layer and winter warmer layer under the outside jacket
Good gloves, 5 years old but still going (even if there is duct tape holding one wrist together)
HEATED HANDGRIPS - the one thing I'll never do without on a bike
merino balaclava
a neck warmer that my daughter sewed together for me when she had some polar fleece left over from something.

Generally on cold days when i walk into work and the cagers say "aren't you cold' ... they wouldnt suspect that I'm probabaly warmer than they are after their walk in from the carpark.

There is no such thing as cold. There is just a poor choice of clothing.

I've not been doing the balaclava for a while which is a mistake I remember good ones being great. I've been doing the thin icebreaker (or is it mac pack) hoodie up and a thick neck sock thing that goes down the front and back. I think that is a mistake because it is bulky around the need and on the fireblade all learn forward it stresses my need and does not keep my face warm. So I am taking from this get a good Balaclava again because they are good and a neck sock should be just that for the neck only, thinner, good quality material and not bulk. My neck gets quite saw at the moment.

My gloves are older but still good also. Serious cold gloves take ages to break in (for me be interested in comments here). They use to make my hands numb and they seemed bulky and I hated them. However they where expensive so I just kept wearing them and finally they became great and now I really don't mind them (combination break in and hand adjustment probably). Point being gloves can be horrible but possibly they break in eventually. Using leather conditioner also helped make them better but I think it was the lining getting warn that also helped.

[IronPawz]

Don't have too many dramas with the cold.

Good thermal socks inside good boots, feeties are fine.
Textile pants (can't remember the make and can't be bothered going to look) with long thermals if it gets really cold (like brass monkey cold), legs are fine.
Long sleeved merino, long sleeved light polar fleece, if really cold a single layer rain jacket for the wind, leather jacket, warm enough and can still move my limbs.
Silk balaclava under the helmet tucked into the neck of the polar fleece, chin and nose toasty.
Merino glove liners inside pretty standard motorcycling gloves, marginal and really should get heated grips one of these days.

Only thing on the shopping list is decent wet weather gear, if it rains I freeze.

I'd take from this again balaclava is key gear (so I will get some again having lost them all) I still suffer in the face and that just makes sense I remember them being great for the nose etc. Also plastics are just the shizer for rain and also wind, I don't thing you'd regret it I get a boost (having just got one recently) from taking it off and having all my gear (and me) completely dry. Best tip here is reach around backwards to take them off from the arm, trying to wiggle out (as I was) once inside is crap and overheats you and stresses the gear, a reach around is easier and faster.

[Oakie]

Only thing on the shopping list is decent wet weather gear, if it rains I freeze.

This ... https://www.scott-sports.com/global/...P-Rain-Jacket/ and https://www.scott-sports.com/global/...finit-DP-Pant/

Best wet weather gear I've used. Genuinely waterproof and not bulky.

[pritch]

I've not been doing the balaclava for a while which is a mistake

It's not necessarily a mistake. Wearing a balaclava under a helmet will mean you need to buy a new helmet if you want one that actually fits, 'cause the balaclava will compress the lining and make the helmet too big.

No that's not a theory, that's the voice of sad experience.

[IronPawz]

It's not necessarily a mistake. Wearing a balaclava under a helmet will mean you need to buy a new helmet if you want one that actually fits, 'cause the balaclava will compress the lining and make the helmet too big.

No that's not a theory, that's the voice of sad experience.

My current helmet I wear my hoodie inside pretty much all the time. It is thin and I've had balaclava's in there before no issue. However I do wear it without the hoodie at times and it is a bit loose which reading this seems a no no. That helmet has done now about 55,000kms in less than 18 months so probably it is time to go anyway (I keep saying I should change it). I almost got taken out by a late model VW (like the new old one) just today (just came onto my lane only my alert state prevented them just driving into me) so it makes me think again I need a new one.

Makes me realise I don't really now much about some of these things for all that riding. When to change them (helmet) how loose is to loose. Might be a good thread to start but likely it is done to death already.

[Berries]

I eat porridge.

[Bass]

I eat porridge.

But where there's no sense, there's no feeling, eh?

[roogazza]

It's not necessarily a mistake. Wearing a balaclava under a helmet will mean you need to buy a new helmet if you want one that actually fits, 'cause the balaclava will compress the lining and make the helmet too big.

No that's not a theory, that's the voice of sad experience.

Yeah pritch, no fucker sticks their swede in my Shoei .
One of my sons wanted to borrow it for a car hillclimb,fuck off !