Suicidal scooters

[400sm]

Scooter riders can be very hard to see at the best of times, but here in Hawke's Bay the majority of them do not have their headlights on during the daytime.

They must be an infuriatingly naive lot.

The law actually insists that they use their headlights while they are on the road. (I checked to see if they had a dispensation)
This is for their safety....and for unsuspecting motorists.

They need to be taught a lesson....nicely.

The cops need to address this situation.

[pritch]

Why they aren't using their lights is anybody's guess. It wouldn't matter anyway, drivers look straight at scooter riders then ignore them completely. Presumably they just do not perceive scooters as a threat.

There is a thing though. Motorcyclists generally do not like drivers telling them how to ride. Motorcyclists similarly should not presume to tell scooter riders what to do, they are not qualified to do so. Scooters and bikes are different.

Vive la difference?

[george formby]

Oh. I was expecting something like this.

https://www.facebook.com/OnlineMC/vi...0645657967074/

[mrchips]

I agree with pritch.

Some (not all) car drivers / motorcyclists are just plain arrogant & inconsiderate when it comes to scooterists.... headlight on or off gonna make stuff all difference in this situation.

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[pzkpfw]

In Wellington, pretty much none of them wear gloves. Most of them ride around in their work shoes.

I don't think safety is much on their mind.

Wouldn't wear helmets if it wasn't required, and so easy for cops to spot them.

[rastuscat]

Why they aren't using their lights is anybody's guess. It wouldn't matter anyway, drivers look straight at scooter riders then ignore them completely. Presumably they just do not perceive scooters as a threat.

There is a thing though. Motorcyclists generally do not like drivers telling them how to ride. Motorcyclists similarly should not presume to tell scooter riders what to do, they are not qualified to do so. Scooters and bikes are different.

Vive la difference?

Scooters and bikes are different, until you get knocked off.

When you are sliding down the road, what you came off makes little difference.

Crossing and turning crashes are the greatest risk to any small vehicle in traffic.

For sure, Bikers and the Scooterati are different, but they share a lot of similar culture.

Have a look at the Facebook page. Like it, I get a warm fuzzy feeling. Like wetting oneself in dark pants.

https://www.facebook.com/ScooterSurvivalNZ/

Donuts

[Virago]

Suicidal scooters?

Put some Prozac in the fuel tank.

[BlackSheepLogic]

In Wellington, pretty much none of them wear gloves. Most of them ride around in their work shoes.
I don't think safety is much on their mind.
Wouldn't wear helmets if it wasn't required, and so easy for cops to spot them.

I'm only getting back into riding. Putting on a full set of leathers with body armor takes about 15 mins with help for me now. That's fine for a day ride on the Busa, but round town on the scooter I dress down a little, leather gloves, walking boots, helmet, and jeans/jacket. I'm traveling at slower speeds and leathers don't help much if ya get run over anyway.

It's a calculated risk which is mine to make.

[pzkpfw]

I'm only getting back into riding. Putting on a full set of leathers with body armor takes about 15 mins with help for me now. That's fine for a day ride on the Busa, but round town on the scooter I dress down a little, leather gloves, walking boots, helmet, and jeans/jacket. I'm traveling at slower speeds and leathers don't help much if ya get run over anyway.

It's a calculated risk which is mine to make.

Yeah, I'm not advocating full leathers and body armor. I don't always wear all that myself when on my not-a-scooter. I agree with "calculated risk".

But the stuff you say you wear ("leather gloves, walking boots, helmet, and jeans/jacket") is way more than the majority of scooter riders I see.

[Voltaire]

I'm only getting back into riding. Putting on a full set of leathers with body armor takes about 15 mins with help for me now. That's fine for a day ride on the Busa, but round town on the scooter I dress down a little, leather gloves, walking boots, helmet, and jeans/jacket. I'm traveling at slower speeds and leathers don't help much if ya get run over anyway.

It's a calculated risk which is mine to make.

I had a 87 Yamaha 200 a few years back, it could do 110 on the motorway ( the couple of times I used it), but I did feel a bit over AGATTED

with my Motorcycle gear on riding in the city.

I did what you did as I find hands quite useful in my day to day life and they look complicated to fix.

[Moi]

Out on the scootah yesterday wearing textile jacket with armour, kevlar jeans, proper bike boots, proper bike gloves - admittedly winter weight. When I was commuting on it, worn textile pants as well - still do when it's chilly...

I'm quite attached to my largest organ and the bits inside as well

Plus, once over a certain age the healing process is much slower and more painful...

[Autech]

I get the shits at some of the stories my wife tells me about the way car drivers treat her.
I've removed the restrictors on the scooter for her safety (would barely do 40 with them on) so she can more than keep up with traffic (I've had 80 indicated ks out of it).

She'll be in a que of traffic tootling on at 40ish ks and cars will toot her like they expect her to be in a bike lane or something. I've had similar experiences while out hooning around on it with people being arseholes. I quite often follow her home in my car from the gym in the evening so I keep an eye out, god knows what I'll do if I see someone cut her up... Quite keen to get her on a proper bike I think to give her some road presence. No car ever expects a motorbike to move out of their way.

There are some nutcase scooter pilots though, caning it up a line of traffic on the shoulder like a bike but at twice the speed, once witnessed a nasty accident in Hamilton where a van turning left into a drive and a scooter ran into the side of it. Ouch!

[R650R]

Scooter riders can be very hard to see at the best of times, but here in Hawke's Bay the majority of them do not have their headlights on during the daytime.

They must be an infuriatingly naive lot.

The law actually insists that they use their headlights while they are on the road. (I checked to see if they had a dispensation)
This is for their safety....and for unsuspecting motorists.

They need to be taught a lesson....nicely.

The cops need to address this situation.

Actually I find those people on electrified push bikes to be more of an issue. You don't know till they have closed on a junction faster than anticipated that they are powered.
Find most scooters ok, some perhaps need to be clearer in their intentions.

[R650R]

Scooters and bikes are different, until you get knocked off.

When you are sliding down the road, what you came off makes little difference.

Crossing and turning crashes are the greatest risk to any small vehicle in traffic.

For sure, Bikers and the Scooterati are different, but they share a lot of similar culture.

Have a look at the Facebook page. Like it, I get a warm fuzzy feeling. Like wetting oneself in dark pants.

https://www.facebook.com/ScooterSurvivalNZ/

Donuts

Had a look, nicely done and good tidbits of pertinent info. Back in the day performance bikes and fast bikes mag used to present info in a similar way with a little dry humour and I found it easy to connect with and remember.
No clicky though, I'm using FB and social media much less these days, going back to living and not needing to know or care about too much what the rest of the world is up too. But that's another thread of its own....
Beeemer/Honda???? leaned over at track is good pic too

[jasonu]

It's scroters, not scooters.