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    Lets see if the pollies strart with the ministerial fleet to show their confedence in the new tech
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave- View Post
    Build roads that don't wear out? Fuck, I bet no one has thought of that before!
    Certainly not in this country anyway.

    In Europe the road surfaces I saw were probably approaching half a metre thick, not half an inch - perhaps - like here. When they demolish buildings in Europe the rubble is crushed to use in road works. After the Christchurch earthquake there were TV pictures of truck after truck heading to the dump. Much of the contents of those trucks could have been used for road repairs. I understand they needed some?

    We do have a lot of roads and a relatively small population but the quality of some of the local road repairs is approaching farcical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Certainly not in this country anyway.

    In Europe the road surfaces I saw were probably approaching half a metre thick, not half an inch - perhaps - like here. When they demolish buildings in Europe the rubble is crushed to use in road works. After the Christchurch earthquake there were TV pictures of truck after truck heading to the dump. Much of the contents of those trucks could have been used for road repairs. I understand they needed some?

    We do have a lot of roads and a relatively small population but the quality of some of the local road repairs is approaching farcical.

    /RANT
    Doesn't matter how thick it is, if you drive over it enough it will wear out.

    The original point was that the autonomous drivers were so accurate that the road wore out in a very specific spot. This is going to happen no matter what you make the road of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Certainly not in this country anyway.

    In Europe the road surfaces I saw were probably approaching half a metre thick, not half an inch - perhaps - like here. When they demolish buildings in Europe the rubble is crushed to use in road works. After the Christchurch earthquake there were TV pictures of truck after truck heading to the dump. Much of the contents of those trucks could have been used for road repairs. I understand they needed some?

    We do have a lot of roads and a relatively small population but the quality of some of the local road repairs is approaching farcical.

    /RANT
    A fair amount of the ChCh rubble was used to reclaim land at the port - and the dump area most of it went to was basically sand so it's improved that area in the long term.
    Road metal in Canterbury is easier to get than the rest of NZ - just scratch off the topsoil on most of the plains and you've got gravel. Cheaper than crushing rubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buggerit View Post
    Lets see if the pollies strart with the ministerial fleet to show their confedence in the new tech
    I don't think J turns and anti terrorist tactics are in the program. Hmmmm, I wonder if the NZ gummint even worries about stuff like this on home soil. Ok, how much consideration it gets.



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    A cheap and simple Transponder could be fitted to all new cars and bikes to allow driverless cars to "see" them and their speed and direction. Pedestrians are the biggest problem. It might also be a bit tricky for a driverless car to tell the difference between something like a cardboard box or a bag of rags falling off the back of a truck and a small dog or child. Thermal camera might do it but maybe the kid is just wrapped up really well for the winter. A human can tell the difference in a blink of an eye but maybe not so easy for a computer.

    How long before we all get a tag implanted to ensure driverless cars "see" us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbuoy View Post
    No benefits? Imagine you can page your car to .....
    Car "ownership" is on the way out. Pretty soon none of us will own cars. Why bother buying a car just so it could be parked 22 hours each day doing nothing. With autonomous cars we'll simply "order" a car to pick us up and take us wherever on demand. Unlike today's car hire model, we won't have to go anywhere to pickup the car to use; the car will come to us.

    I imagine in the future we'll simply subscribe to a transit served much the same way we subscribe to internet or rubbish pickup service and pay for usage. Various companies will distinguish their themselves by the tidiness of their fleet, wait times for pickup, and price of service.

    Btw, I have driven a Tesla in autonomous mode few months ago, and it was quite an experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan303 View Post
    Car "ownership" is on the way out. Pretty soon none of us will own cars. Why bother buying a car just so it could be parked 22 hours each day doing nothing. With autonomous cars we'll simply "order" a car to pick us up and take us wherever on demand. Unlike today's car hire model, we won't have to go anywhere to pickup the car to use; the car will come to us.

    I imagine in the future we'll simply subscribe to a transit served much the same way we subscribe to internet or rubbish pickup service and pay for usage. Various companies will distinguish their themselves by the tidiness of their fleet, wait times for pickup, and price of service.

    Btw, I have driven a Tesla in autonomous mode few months ago, and it was quite an experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan303 View Post
    Car "ownership" is on the way out. Pretty soon none of us will own cars. Why bother buying a car just so it could be parked 22 hours each day doing nothing.
    Sounds like what Singapore already has, google car ownership there and Certificate of Entitlement. You basically bid against other people for the right to own a car, that right only lasts 5-10 years and often costs more than the new car itself!!! Then they have massive user pays road tax also.... trouble is here they'd only get the tax part functioning properly.....

    Why buy a house when you only use it 8hrs a day (if you have a life). Why buy an oven or a bbq.... Its called freedom and having the free feeling to travel WHEN you want to and WHERE you want to, not just to destinations and times governed by a poorly run/subsidsed State service.
    In places like London I loved their tube network and high speed regional rail networks and did the vehicleless life for awhile, but private motoring is one of the greatest freedoms humans have ever had. Use it or lose it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan303 View Post
    Car "ownership" is on the way out. Pretty soon none of us will own cars. Why bother buying a car just so it could be parked 22 hours each day doing nothing. With autonomous cars we'll simply "order" a car to pick us up and take us wherever on demand. Unlike today's car hire model, we won't have to go anywhere to pickup the car to use; the car will come to us.
    Pretty soon? Hmmm I would think not. There's too much tied up in ownership pride for one thing. Cars to a lot of people are status symbols, reflections of their personality, objects of passion, objects to aspire to, objects to dream about and work hard to achieve, projects, labours of lust, long hours and sweat.

    Then there's also an entire industry built around selling them and modifying them.

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    ...trains were good...trains are still good...we should have trains...and if not, autonomous hover craft trains with lots of cocktails on board...

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    Absolute rubbish I think. It ignores human nature, or at least the non lab rat type.

    Explain why we don't all use taxis?

    Who wants to wait? I want to go to work now. Oh. A 4 hr wait you say? while they clear the backlog. Right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Absolute rubbish I think. It ignores human nature, or at least the non lab rat type.

    Explain why we don't all use taxis?

    Who wants to wait? I want to go to work now. Oh. A 4 hr wait you say? while they clear the backlog. Right.
    Maybe if your in a remote location - in which case you would need a personal car. If every single car currently on the roads was an autonomous vehicle you wouldn't have to wait long. I can see it being more like private train carriages that pick you up from your door. On motorways cars can be linked up taking less space and sharing power. You can be shuffled around to make sure you hit your exit correctly. Maybe not in our lifetimes but it will come.

    We all like Riding or Driving for "fun" on empty roads but how many people enjoy trudging along in heavy traffic nose to tail? Does anyone actually enjoy driving to the shops or would you rather a car just took you there while you read a book, watched a movie or just chatted and passed the time of day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbuoy View Post
    A cheap and simple Transponder could be fitted to all new cars and bikes to allow driverless cars to "see" them and their speed and direction. Pedestrians are the biggest problem. It might also be a bit tricky for a driverless car to tell the difference between something like a cardboard box or a bag of rags falling off the back of a truck and a small dog or child. Thermal camera might do it but maybe the kid is just wrapped up really well for the winter. A human can tell the difference in a blink of an eye but maybe not so easy for a computer.

    How long before we all get a tag implanted to ensure driverless cars "see" us?
    Current cars can already tell the difference between a cardboard box and a pedestrian. I went to a Audi Q7 launch a little while ago and one of the displays was showing how the city assist systems work. An empty cardboard box (small fridge size) was thrown out in front of the Q7, it ran this down as it recognized it as cardboard box and as the safest thing to do is to run it over so it did so. But when one of the people running the display stepped out in front of the Q7 it first pulsed the brakes and shook the steering wheel to wake the driver up and if you did nothing it braked the Q7 to a stop. link below to an description of the different city assist systems.

    https://audi-illustrated.com/en/a4-a...stance-systems

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