Coromandel : Perceptual countermeasures

[skippa1]

A more pressing issue here is the many ways of spelling the word Coromandel. Coramandel (Thread Title) Corramandel (First sentence first post)

The widely used term 'Coro Loop' was born from this very confusion, bikers not knowing how to spell where they liked ride, so they adopted a more safer option for fear of continual persecution.

Lol....more safer......

[Swoop]

Those "Helicopter" circles are shit.

Every time I go over one I do not get given a helicopter. Stink video game.








Or are they "Designated Helicopter Crash Sites" for Robinsons?

[sidecar bob]

thanks... first real critique

Are you only accepting certain points of view as being valid? Did my critique not fit your criteria?

[Moise]

Actual countermeasures, filling in drainage ditches and sealing driveways, offer real value to everyone using the road. The perceptual value of enlarging edge and center lines is subjective and doesn't offer much in reality especially on a narrow road with oncoming traffic.

They've made a lot of improvements, especially between Hikuai and Whangamata. Mainly simple stuff, like sealing driveways on corners, but in some cases, cutting back hillsides to improve visibility.

I'd have to say though that the main positive change has been harvesting the pine forest! Much better visibility and far fewer damp patches.





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[tmz_99]

thanks for all the comments...
After hearing back from the NZTA it seems the improvments in safety have been very nominal..... no decrease in speed and only slight adjustment (for the better) in lane positioning (there was some improvement for car positioning also).

I'll throw a link up once it's published..

[Katman]

thanks for all the comments...
After hearing back from the NZTA it seems the improvments in safety have been very nominal..... no decrease in speed and only slight adjustment (for the better) in lane positioning (there was some improvement for car positioning also).

I'll throw a link up once it's published..

With all due respect (and I mean that most respectfully), until you learn how to re-programme the average motorcyclist's brain, any effort spent on up-grading the roads is of questionable value.

[caspernz]

They've made a lot of improvements, especially between Hikuai and Whangamata. Mainly simple stuff, like sealing driveways on corners, but in some cases, cutting back hillsides to improve visibility.

I'd have to say though that the main positive change has been harvesting the pine forest! Much better visibility and far fewer damp patches.

It's in the subtle stuff, sealing driveways and using flat covers for drainage sumps instead of upright concrete pipes. The extra guardrail or gutter under the Armco that's seen in places is probably what gets noticed most, along with the extra blocks of paint into the tighter corners. All passive safety type of stuff in reality.

thanks for all the comments...
After hearing back from the NZTA it seems the improvments in safety have been very nominal..... no decrease in speed and only slight adjustment (for the better) in lane positioning (there was some improvement for car positioning also).

I'll throw a link up once it's published..

That'll make for interesting reading...

With all due respect (and I mean that most respectfully), until you learn how to re-programme the average motorcyclist's brain, any effort spent on up-grading the roads is of questionable value.

Yes I'd be agreeing with you there, for it seems that those who benefit most from the improvements, could help themselves by adding a dose of self preservation to their riding

[tmz_99]

Up live:

http://www.theallriders.com/single-p...ndel-Peninsula

short and sweet - hope it's a balanced enough view without being too long winded...

Off to the Philippines in Feb to do a piece on cafe racer workshops over there....

[pritch]

That's OK except where it says New Zealand it should say Auckland. I am being picky but...

[Blackbird]

Among other motorcyclists and particularly because I'm a local, I was invited to attend a preliminary meeting with NZTA on the Northern Loop project and have had a small amount of on-going input where appropriate. Discussing detail on KB is inviting all the trolls and no-hopers to make their usual unhelpful comments so I won't. What I will say however, is that the NZTA people I've met are good, pragmatic people who want to make a difference in terms of motorcycle safety. Several of the team are riders themselves. Their work on cleanup and sightlines whilst not necessarily noticeable to occasional riders in the area has been really valuable.

However, the best outcome is for people to take personal responsibility for their own riding standards - no surprise there.

[caspernz]

However, the best outcome is for people to take personal responsibility for their own riding standards - no surprise there.

If only this could be administered by a pill upon gaining a class 6 licence...

[Blackbird]

If only this could be administered by a pill upon gaining a class 6 licence...

[Moise]

Among other motorcyclists and particularly because I'm a local, I was invited to attend a preliminary meeting with NZTA on the Northern Loop project and have had a small amount of on-going input where appropriate. Discussing detail on KB is inviting all the trolls and no-hopers to make their usual unhelpful comments so I won't. What I will say however, is that the NZTA people I've met are good, pragmatic people who want to make a difference in terms of motorcycle safety. Several of the team are riders themselves. Their work on cleanup and sightlines whilst not necessarily noticeable to occasional riders in the area has been really valuable.

However, the best outcome is for people to take personal responsibility for their own riding standards - no surprise there.

So what are the results of the southern loop upgrades? I don't recall any serious motorbike accidents in Coromandel for a while.

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[Blackbird]

So what are the results of the southern loop upgrades? I don't recall any serious motorbike accidents in Coromandel for a while.

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Wasn't involved, but valid statistical data trend analysis always takes time so it's probable there aren't any yet. I think there has been a few accidents but hard pressed to remember details. Have a vague memory of a bike and ute colliding on the twisty eastern side of the Coromandel/Whangapoua hill where most of the blind bends are.

[Moise]

Wasn't involved, but valid statistical data trend analysis always takes time so it's probable there aren't any yet. I think there has been a few accidents but hard pressed to remember details. Have a vague memory of a bike and ute colliding on the twisty eastern side of the Coromandel/Whangapoua hill where most of the blind bends are.

It always pays to keep well to the left on blind corners at this time of year because of the numpties with big boats who don't know how to take corners.

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