Coromandel : Perceptual countermeasures

[Luckylegs]

It was a while back I read the authorities in NZ were not interested in compulsory rider training due to overconfidence so maybe attitudes have changed. Sounds like you rode under pressure to keep up in your younger days and have grown out of it. It was never something I felt a need to do in my younger days.

Hahahaha, you have no idea... Of the times I rode with Gremlin he was the lead rider so he was setting the pace. If anyone would have been under pressure to keep up, it would have been me. Did I, perhaps at times a bit, but I'm clever enough and old enough to know when I am and would not ride above a particular percentage of commitment just to keep up. What I remember about him and his 10r was how effortlessly he seemed to ride that bike. It could be cos he's a gig lump of human or perhaps he's a little more of a natural at it than I. Not important, the point is that you live in black and white and your statements are dumb when you have no idea the facts.

Perhaps if you re-worded them slightly they may seem less moronic. perhaps If you ASKED "Did you amass speeding infringements because you were riding with people faster than you?" instead of assuming and making an arse out of U and ME U (Alone) you might get somewhere.

[Gremlin]

It was a while back I read the authorities in NZ were not interested in compulsory rider training due to overconfidence so maybe attitudes have changed. Sounds like you rode under pressure to keep up in your younger days and have grown out of it. It was never something I felt a need to do in my younger days.

Ah, your old gem. I'm not even sure who luckylegs is, but they obviously know me. Very little pressure to keep up, I've mostly done my own thing. I either led or was somewhere at the back, again, doing my own thing. I'd say most of the close shaves etc, I was riding alone.

But hey, don't let that stop you.

[Luckylegs]

Ah, your old gem. I'm not even sure who luckylegs is, but they obviously know me. Very little pressure to keep up, I've mostly done my own thing. I either led or was somewhere at the back, again, doing my own thing. I'd say most of the close shaves etc, I was riding alone.

But hey, don't let that stop you.

Twas a looong time ago and I'm hardly memorable and nor was my old CBR600F3 (even more-so when in the company of people like Raj lol) so I understand.

[Swoop]

... and then apparently cassina's opinion.

She has watched some videos and probably perused Ewechoob as well, so is now a leading expert in most topics.

... it has now become a generally accepted mantra that driver and rider training is a waste of time. The results are obvious on our roads every day, and are not pretty.

Really the NZTA should cut out the middle man and just issue licences through weetbix packets... if training is not necessary.

Sadly there are self-deluding groups of idiots out there (that dog and lemon fuckwit and his bum-boi friends would be one) who come to conclusions which are so far away from logic or intelligence that are truly staggering.
When D&L fuckwit states "universally accepted" he means by him and/or his mates who have the same retarded opinion.

[onearmedbandit]

That could be a topic for a new thread "The most dangerous thing you see other riders doing" I wont bother starting it though as many on here will already know my answer.

Done. Join in.

[Blackbird]

Getting back on track after Cassina trying to derail it with the same old, same old, I went out with the NZTA Coromandel Northern Loop team this week. The perceptual countermeasures component which some people seem hell-bent on bagging is only a small part of the holistic approach. I was really impressed with the pragmatic attitude and professionalism of NZTA and associated agencies on the project - several of them are motorcyclists too. Anyway, I've written up an overview of my day out with them here: http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/201...y-on-road.html . It was a real pleasure to have conversations with people who are trying to help motorcyclists as opposed to legislating us off the road.

[swbarnett]

The perceptual countermeasures component which some people seem hell-bent on bagging

I rode most of the southern loop last week. I can't see what they're supposed to achieve. My only thought was "yet more paint to get shiny in the wet".

Having said that I agree. At least this group is trying. It doesn't realy matter if the first attempts aren't successful. Trial and error is still useful.

[Blackbird]

I rode most of the southern loop last week. I can't see what they're supposed to achieve. My only thought was "yet more paint to get shiny in the wet".

Having said that I agree. At least this group is trying. It doesn't realy matter if the first attempts aren't successful. Trial and error is still useful.

As I mentioned earlier, it's far too early to get any data which has statistical significance and it doesn't really bother me as there are other useful cues such as vanishing point movement etc. As you say, good on them for trying different measures. However, getting back to the nitty gritty, PC's are a relatively small part of the total project. The other point is that that the project team have a strong practical focus and some of them are keen riders so it's not decision-making in isolation by office-bound people.

[Akzle]

. Trial and error is still useful.

you would think..
but then. cassina.

[5ive]

I don't think plastic orange sticks would be strong enough to even slow a vehicle down, let alone stop one.

[nzspokes]

Getting back on track after Cassina trying to derail it with the same old, same old, I went out with the NZTA Coromandel Northern Loop team this week. The perceptual countermeasures component which some people seem hell-bent on bagging is only a small part of the holistic approach. I was really impressed with the pragmatic attitude and professionalism of NZTA and associated agencies on the project - several of them are motorcyclists too. Anyway, I've written up an overview of my day out with them here: http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/201...y-on-road.html . It was a real pleasure to have conversations with people who are trying to help motorcyclists as opposed to legislating us off the road.

Interesting read Geoff. Thanks for the link.

Buy the Triumph.

[nzspokes]

I don't think plastic orange sticks would be strong enough to even slow a vehicle down, let alone stop one.

They would give you a good slapping. But some may like that....

[swbarnett]

As I mentioned earlier, it's far too early to get any data which has statistical significance and it doesn't really bother me as there are other useful cues such as vanishing point movement etc.

Indeed. I'm really saying that the only effect they might have on me is probably a negative one. However, even if that's true it's not big enough to be any kind of issue to my riding so if they help others then all good.

[swbarnett]

you would think..
but then. cassina.

Nah, they're all error and no trial.

[swbarnett]

I don't think plastic orange sticks would be strong enough to even slow a vehicle down, let alone stop one.

The effect is psychological. The point being that if you do happen to go through them they're not going to cut you to ribbons like other road furniture I could mention.