Why are some truck drivers so angry? A little road rage this morning...

[R650R]

Guess who!

If him moving over 6 inches is the difference between your quasi legal lane splitting being safe or not I think maybe its you that needs looking at.
A recognisable potential hazard exists, one that you've been evidently well aware of in previous circumstances. Yet YOU choose to deliberately position yourself in danger for a few seconds of gopro internet glory.....

BTW ere you mirrors folded out this time. Going back to start of thread doesn't look like they are in a position to safely monitor other traffic....

Stop being a fool, let it go....

[5ive]

Wow, you seem really upset about me posting this. Are you a truck driver who hates lane splitting as well?

Unless something changes, and the police cars and bikes I split/filter past on a regular basis start crackng down on it, I'm going to continue doing it the same way as safely as I can on my daily commute

Interesting opinion you have, but it's not really moving over 6 inches in their lane which caught my attention, that happens with most traffic depending on the road layout and traffic flow. It was crossing onto or over the dotted lines, combined with the aggressive accelleration and deceleration in order to box my bike in which was the problem, and that driving behaviour affects the other vehicles around the truck as well... I have never seen another truck do this, and if he does that to me, he'll no doubt do it to other riders.

But yeah, let's blame me and my mirror(s), and my obvious gopro internet glory

[nzspokes]

Unless something changes, and the police cars and bikes I split/filter past on a regular basis start crackng down on it, I'm going to continue doing it the same way as safely as I can on my daily commute

Im not a truck driver, I ride to work through Aucklands motorway system. I find most trucks pull over for me if room is tight and I always give them a wave. But I dont shot the gap or need to pull my mirrors in.

So do us all a favour and sort your attitude, I dont want to be held up on the motorway while a road crew has to wipe what remains of you up.

[Berries]

Must be the same guy, or company policy.

Or someone pulling right to give the bike splitting on his left some room?

Love the third photo. Ute with its brakes on and a line of traffic in front of it and you sitting between the truck and trailer unit with a narrowing gap in front of you. Good skills.

Not sure what reaction you expect from posting this up on here. We all know there are idiots out there.

[rastuscat]

I always laugh when riders expose a few seconds of someone elses' bad driving to shame them.

I just think about the hours of bad riding they don't disclose for fear of getting in the doo.

[Scubbo]

only takes 1 time to go wrong then its byebye bike and possible long term injuries/death from even slow lane splitting, especially if you are rarking up a truck driver who might continue driving while youre under the wheels

take it easy bro, concussions arent nice, loosing a bike is even worse !

[trufflebutter]

Would it be fair to say that some who lane split are under the illusion that those unfortunate slow movers being split are somehow expected to make room for them?

When splitting, your focus is only on whats going on ahead, it is the same in a vehicle when your in that dire situation of negotiating a slow moving carpark while trying to stay focused on whats going on ahead. No real time to look for bikes lane splitting.

In my view, it is up to the rider alone, to make sure his/her path that is taken, is the safe option.

[R650R]

Wow, you seem really upset about me posting this. Are you a truck driver who hates lane splitting as well?

But yeah, let's blame me and my mirror(s), and my obvious gopro internet glory

I work off highway now operating a variety of machines but have done over 2 million km's truck driving in several countries.
Keen motorbiker all round and used to lane split a lot wheen needed, rare to need to these days where i am.

What I'm upset about is you failing to take ownership of your own actions and options. Yes other people do dumb stuff lots on the road, but its silly to deliberatly place yourself into that situation that you acknowledge is dangerous just so you can film the guy. I bet you recognised that truck long before you put yourself close enough to get thsoe frame grabs....

And the folded in mirrors, what if another bike is sneaking up on you and pops past? Theres always another bike splitting that does it faster than you so you need your mirrors out to be aware of whats behind you. Most likely a cop will be pushing up the outside lane lights flashing going to an emergency further ahead. If your not aware of that youll be pushed over by the cars that are looking in their mirrors.

Seeing as its taken you nearly three months to get new footage it suggests that thousands of other trucks operated around you safely during this time and your just stalking and hating on one operator.....

[R650R]

I just think about the hours of bad riding they don't disclose for fear of getting in the doo.

Guilty as charged Used GoPros and also other camera systems lot in trucks and bikes. It takes AGES to accumulate enough interesting footage to edit down to a five minute (people just don't watch longer stuff) watchable video.
Its a lot of work sifting out the odd sloppy lane position, brief overspeeds, accidental tailgating, excessive acceleration, farts and seat shuffling to put a video into a public forum

God I'd love to see the out takes reel for 10/7 and motorway patrol!

[Scubbo]

nah, just learn how to use quicksync or opencl of your intel/amd cpu + video card. turns hours of encoding into minutes

[Tazz]

I always laugh when riders expose a few seconds of someone elses' bad driving to shame them.

I just think about the hours of bad riding they don't disclose for fear of getting in the doo.

Depends if it's a genuine mistake (SMIDSY's are on bikes too) or a concious act of stupidity/aggression I reckon. No on is perfect but those that go out of their way to be dickheads deserve all the shame and tickets they get.

[5ive]

Over-reaction much. In case others are skipping from the first post to the last and missing the rest:

I had already passed his trailer before he saw me, and he floored it and pulled to the right as I came up to his door. There was a 6 metre gap between the front of his truck, and the back of the car in front of me. That quickly closed so I didn't try it.

I didn't know what he was doing until he took his foot off the gas and sat beside the car with an ever increasing gap in his lane in front of him.

(On the 300) I always fold one in when filtering/splitting, leaving the other angled enough to see down the narrow car corridor behind. The pictures here are a little misleading though, the camera is angled up from below chin height. My eyes are higher and looking down into the mirror.

It creates a wider gap to pass through, as my mirrors are at the same height as most car's when angled up, and I head check when using the mirrors or not anyway.

In the pictures here, I've had to pull the left one in as well (as pictured with my hand on it), because there is a truck moving into my lane... with both mirrors in, I've just used my head to look around instead. Pretty easy to do when travelling below 30km/ph as I was mostly doing when not trying to overtake the truck.

Hope that answers/dispels the questions and assumptions, and reduces repetition.

So I wasn't splitting at great speed, slower in fact, due to the rain. A wide gap was maintained to account for random vehicle movement/positioning, and an even wider gap was created at mirror height (to avoid any accidental clipping of car mirrors). All whilst still having perfect rearward vision of the narrow space all the way behind (much like the mirror in front of your head in a car to see directly behind you). I'm quite comfortable using my mirror(s), even whilst filtering, I ride relaxed and move my head around when I need to. I see any traffic approaching from the rear and let them past when possible, and fold the mirror out again when in not filtering/splitting. Also, no close or closing gaps were snuck through in either of these events, as there were no gaps left once the truck had moved over and adjusted speed. The truck driver was trying to stop any lane splitting or filtering.

The moral of the story is: My mirrors are not driving the truck, and the truck is not stealthily approaching from behind so that I can not see it, so calm down folks.

Im not a truck driver, I ride to work through Aucklands motorway system. I find most trucks pull over for me if room is tight and I always give them a wave. But I dont shot the gap or need to pull my mirrors in.

So do us all a favour and sort your attitude, I dont want to be held up on the motorway while a road crew has to wipe what remains of you up.

See above, no mirrors folded, or "shot the gap" happened, there was plenty of room until the truck decided that "I shalt not pass", not sure where my version of lane splitting/filtering is any different than yours, you might even be travelling at faster speeds/differentials than I do, but we don't actually know

Or someone pulling right to give the bike splitting on his left some room?

Love the third photo. Ute with its brakes on and a line of traffic in front of it and you sitting between the truck and trailer unit with a narrowing gap in front of you. Good skills.

No one was splitting in the left hand lane (unless they were far behind and going a lot quicker, and the truck driver was clairvoyant), or I would have seen/heard them well before I got to the truck, or after it had passed and in front of the truck. We know it wasn't really another bike.

The traffic was barely moving yesterday (neither was I), and often stationary. Mostly due to the weather. The brake lights were often being used just to stop the vehicles with automatic transmissions from creeping forward, and the manual transmissions from rolling backwards... then short bursts of acceleration before the next slow down/stop.

I had already passed the back of his trailer before he saw me, and he floored it and pulled to the right as I came up to his door. Same as the first time he did this... I was in a safe position with a gap in front and behind me, the FOV, angle, and height of the camera might be a little misleading in terms of perspective. You can watch the last vehicle all you want, but it's what the cars ahead are doing that I pay more attention to when it comes to seeing how the upcoming traffic will act, or if any opportunities for lane changes will occur (for them or myself).

I could see that the traffic in front was going to accelerate faster than the truck, so I maintained a safe distance and followed until it was safe to pass...

Would it be fair to say that some who lane split are under the illusion that those unfortunate slow movers being split are somehow expected to make room for them?

When splitting, your focus is only on whats going on ahead, it is the same in a vehicle when your in that dire situation of negotiating a slow moving carpark while trying to stay focused on whats going on ahead. No real time to look for bikes lane splitting.

In my view, it is up to the rider alone, to make sure his/her path that is taken, is the safe option.

I fully agree, and don't think that I implied otherwise? I don't expect anyone to make room, but am appreciative when it happens. I take all steps to avoid personal injury, or property damage (short of staying at home, and watching the wallpaper all day).

It would also be fair to say that those same slow moving vehicles are expected to drive safely, and not put others at risk by going out of their way to take aggressive action against other road users. Like purposefully crossing the center line and moving parts of their vehicle into your lane, such as mirrors, and large truck parts.

What I'm upset about is you failing to take ownership of your own actions and options. Yes other people do dumb stuff lots on the road, but its silly to deliberatly place yourself into that situation that you acknowledge is dangerous just so you can film the guy. I bet you recognised that truck long before you put yourself close enough to get thsoe frame grabs....

And the folded in mirrors, what if another bike is sneaking up on you and pops past? Theres always another bike splitting that does it faster than you so you need your mirrors out to be aware of whats behind you. Most likely a cop will be pushing up the outside lane lights flashing going to an emergency further ahead. If your not aware of that youll be pushed over by the cars that are looking in their mirrors.

Seeing as its taken you nearly three months to get new footage it suggests that thousands of other trucks operated around you safely during this time and your just stalking and hating on one operator.....

There are a series of pictures that tell the basics of the story, and I've provided some text to accompany them, and have answered other peoples questions about the reasons why some things are the way they are, but you seem to want to ignore all of this just to fit your own narrative. Is it you driving the truck? Do you feel that I'm slighting the name of all good truckers everywhere because I showed that one was acting up?

I didn't hang around or stop to take a picture the second time, didn't even know it was him/that company till I got to the cab and he started driving like a rally car driver, as it's not the same truck or it's been repainted/sign-written.

I'm not actively doing anything with the camera, it's just capturing the general direction of where I look when I ride... I'm not screaming "OMG I was in danger call the police!", as the situations all happened at low speed, and were largely under control (except for the guy in the truck). He was a little out of control, and I wondered if this behavior was normal, hence the thread in the first place. During my nearly 100,000 km of on-road riding/commuting by motorcycle, he's the ONLY truck driver/company doing it that I have seen myself, so of course he's the only one pictured here. Happy coincidence? Funny that

So I actively avoided his nonsense, and safely carried on my way when it was safe to do so, it was all over in seconds. I take full ownership of all of my own actions, so not sure what you're expecting of me. Take ownership of his actions as well? He is actually doing nothing wrong?

Only a handful of people from this forum know me, or have seen me ride, pretty sure it takes more than a handful of upward angled, off-center, high-FOV pictures (of the moment a truck starts acting erratically) at shoulder height to properly analyse someones riding ability or behavior whilst filtering. You're only seeing 1 frame out of 25 over a matter of seconds/minutes, so I'm not sure how some people's over-worked imaginations are holding up

Meanwhile, a truck is intentionally driving towards and over the white lines as lane motorcyclists try to pass safely...

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[Scubbo]

mate we say check yourself because we care

[5ive]

mate we say check yourself because we care

Thanks a bunch guys, I care about me too!

[rastuscat]

Everyone has an idea of who the problem is.........someone else.

Most don't know it, but they also have a picture of the solution....................go into the bathroom and look in the mirror.