Old Steve had an off

**5ive** · 4th December 2016, 13:42

Originally Posted by cassina

I dont think from what poster one has said right from the start he is a careless rider but with some of the responses he has got I sort of felt some were putting him into the same boat as pressurised overtaking group riders for failing to see the taxi sooner.

BTW there was a news report a few days ago of a guy having a crash with a car going in the opposite direction on a group ride. Without any further details I can only assume it was a case of riding under pressure to keep up. It would certainly be worthwhile for the NZTA to run a safety campagin about the danger of group rides and the pressure to keep up but if the group riding posters on here are anything to go by they would just ignore it anyway.

A single rider by himself has an off, and you're talking about group riding again...

I just got back from a group ride, and no one died or had an accident.

Off to buy a lotto ticket.

**onearmedbandit** · 4th December 2016, 13:57

Originally Posted by cassina

If its not likely to be riding under pressure to keep up explain how a rider can have a crash with a car going the other way? If it had been the car driver crossing onto the other side of the road they would have taken out more than one bike.

Assumptions again huh. You seem to live your life by them. A 'group' ride doesn't necessitate that all or any of the riders are in a tight bunch, so it is completely possible that the car (if it had crossed the centre line) took out a single bike. Maybe the rider had a mechanical issue. An acute medical issue. Maybe was distracted by something. Maybe took a different line and hit some gravel on the road. Maybe was just riding outside their skill level without feeling the pressure to keep up. Maybe had a bee fly in their helmet. Maybe maybe maybe. So many maybe's but they don't exist to you. It simply must be pressure to keep up. Hey maybe they had read some of your posts and were so bewildered by your apparent narrow perspective they had a laughing fit and lost control. Maybe you were to blame for this riders accident. Hope you can sleep well.

**caseye** · 4th December 2016, 14:09

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Assumptions again huh. You seem to live your life by them. A 'group' ride doesn't necessitate that all or any of the riders are in a tight bunch, so it is completely possible that the car (if it had crossed the centre line) took out a single bike. Maybe the rider had a mechanical issue. An acute medical issue. Maybe was distracted by something. Maybe took a different line and hit some gravel on the road. Maybe was just riding outside their skill level without feeling the pressure to keep up. Maybe had a bee fly in their helmet. Maybe maybe maybe. So many maybe's but they don't exist to you. It simply must be pressure to keep up. Hey maybe they had read some of your posts and were so bewildered by your apparent narrow perspective they had a laughing fit and lost control. Maybe you were to blame for this riders accident. Hope you can sleep well.

I just want her/him IT! to shut the fuck up about shit they OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.
Please no one else encourage this dangerous as fuck idiot to be listened to by any poor newbie coming here.
Seriously, was it my call this poster would be gorn for good as a bad example of how not to win friends and influence people.
Old Steve, I'm 100% certain you did what you knew to do and thoght to do before you got tagged, I'm also 100% certain that your only reason for posting your fate was so that others cold talk it over and thrash out what might have been able to be done differently.
I''m glad you posted, I'm glad OL Katman's message is still relevant, I'm bloody angry this jerk is getting any airtime at all, is there actually anyone out there in this thread that rides a bike high/tall enough to see over a real SUV?
Do any of you actually thknk that could possibly have made a difference to the outcome of OS's off?
We all of us should, ride our own ride, we should all know the limitations of THE bike WE ride, if we don't we're already behind the eightball and might as well simply keep doing the same thing over and over again like cassina in the hope something happens differently.

**Maha** · 4th December 2016, 14:15

Originally Posted by cassina

I dont think from what poster one has said right from the start he is a careless rider but with some of the responses he has got I sort of felt some were putting him into the same boat as pressurised overtaking group riders for failing to see the taxi sooner.

BTW there was a news report a few days ago of a guy having a crash with a car going in the opposite direction on a group ride. Without any further details I can only assume it was a case of riding under pressure to keep up. It would certainly be worthwhile for the NZTA to run a safety campagin about the danger of group rides and the pressure to keep up but if the group riding posters on here are anything to go by they would just ignore it anyway.

Boats/Motorcycles and Taxi's...Sounds like a good movie title.

**Akzle** · 4th December 2016, 14:15

Originally Posted by cassina

I dont think...
...(Without any further details) I can only assume...

this pretty much sums you up.

i pray your next collision is your last, if only to spare the internets your torrential horseshit.

**Akzle** · 4th December 2016, 14:43

Originally Posted by cassina

And vise versa.

funny. cos of the not-8 collisions i've had, a genuine 0 i've been at fault.

no dogs were harmed in the making of this i'm-better-than-you fact.

**Old Steve** · 4th December 2016, 15:00

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it.

Some interesting points have been brought up, Katman was the first to ask what my lane position was.

Normally I ride down the T3 lane in the LH wheel track on the basis that I am further away and have infintesimally longer to react to a car in the centre lane who suddenly wants to change to the T3 lane and can't be bothered either looking over their left shoulder or indicting.

At intersections I either stay where I am if there are no cars waiting to come out of the intersection or fade to the right of the lane if there are cars there and the centre lane completely blocks the intersection (no-exit side streets don't have 'keep clear' markings), again giving myself that nanosecond extra to react to the car which thinks they'll just pop out of the side street and cruise down the T3 lane a while.

In the case on Monday, I thought I had hazards on both my left (cars waiting to exit the side street) and the right (cars which might change lanes into the T3 lane or cross into the side street from the other way). I had therefore eased into the centre of the lane to give myself the maximum distance from both sides - the road was dry so I discounted any likely problem with the centre strip being oily. I had eased off the throttle and rear braked to bring my speed down, I was watching the road not my speedo but I know I'd slowed from 55 which I'd checked further up the road, and knowing my bike estimate that I was doing 40 to 45.

I cannot ride a taller bike. Well, I could, and have ridden a Honda ST1100 and a Triumph ST, but in both cases (and I rode the ST1100 for three years) I was extremely uncomfortable about my ability to stop the bike and balance it with only the balls of my feet contacting the ground. I found the discomfort about any likely stop ahead was distracting and that, when riding, knowing I would be able to put my feet securely on the ground allows me to concentrate on paying attention to my surroundings. Yes, being a little lower on a cruiser could have contributed to my off, but I was on a cruiser by choice and that's not something that could have or will change.

Please feel free to bicker and snarl at each other, I've had enough and won't be posting regularly again.

I hope someone learns something from my thread

**Akzle** · 4th December 2016, 15:22

Originally Posted by Old Steve

I hope someone learns something from my thread

i hope it's you

**Akzle** · 4th December 2016, 15:23

Originally Posted by cassina

I learnt a long time ago not to post on here about accidents you have that are no fault of your own as I got no sympathy myself. At the time i suggested a taller bike I did not know you are not tall yourself and even the tall bike I ride I would not mind if it was a bit lower. All the best.

pretty sure "being an ignorant moron" is pretty much your fault, past the age of about 14...

**nzspokes** · 4th December 2016, 17:36

Originally Posted by cassina

I learnt a long time ago not to post on here about accidents you have that are no fault of your own as I got no sympathy myself. At the time i suggested a taller bike I did not know you are not tall yourself and even the tall bike I ride I would not mind if it was a bit lower. All the best.

As Im somebody thats involved in dog rescue, you should not be anywhere near the road on anything bigger than a BMX.

Think of the poor dogs you keep hitting.

**Katman** · 4th December 2016, 18:02

Originally Posted by cassina

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.

I agree entirely.

Anyone who doesn't keep a dog under strict control near a road (especially a dog who has a penchant for chasing cats, other dogs or motorbikes) is no better than the parent who allows their toddler to play unsupervised in a driveway.

**Akzle** · 4th December 2016, 18:03

Originally Posted by cassina

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.

solid advice.

whose mutt are you? i'll put it to them.

**swbarnett** · 4th December 2016, 18:15

Originally Posted by cassina

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.

You don't honestly expect us cat people to put them on a lead???? Just when I thought you couldn't get any more retarded!!! Any cat person knows that no-one owns a cat. They honour us with the privilege of becoming part of our family.

**Akzle** · 4th December 2016, 18:33

Originally Posted by swbarnett

You don't honestly expect us cat people to put them on a lead???? Just when I thought you couldn't get any more retarded!!! Any cat person knows that no-one owns a cat. They honour us with the privilege of becoming part of our family.

...and i shoot them if they're on my property, or actively run them over on the road.
if you cant look after or control "your" animal, you don't deserve it.

**nzspokes** · 4th December 2016, 18:33

Originally Posted by cassina

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.

Have you hit one of my dogs champ? Or just random ones you see?

Or do you just hate dogs?