Old Steve had an off

[swbarnett]

i do wonder about this "otherwise", cos i'd say in this otherwise-land, i've got the right to do whatever the fuck i want.

"otherwise" meaning any decent moral code that you or I may try to live by. If people with varying views are to co-exist in close proximity we can't go around shooting people just because they happen to be somewhere that we don't want them.

(and also, legally, i do. if your cat-family can't read the sign, it aint my problem)

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that you don't have the legal right in NZ to shoot trespassers.

[Moi]

Last Post

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it...

I hope someone learns something from my thread

Thank you for posting - what you said has made others think about what they are doing when riding. They might not have said that, too much "noise" getting in the way, but they have thought about what you did and what they might do in a similar situation - I have certainly thought about it and considered what I'd have done and what I'll practise with the intention of avoiding such happening: learning from others' mistakes and misfortune...

All the best for a speedy recovery.

I'm presuming you're not intending to post on this particular thread again - that I can understand.

[Akzle]

"otherwise" meaning any decent moral code that you or I may try to live by. If people with varying views are to co-exist in close proximity we can't go around shooting people just because they happen to be somewhere that we don't want them.


I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that you don't have the legal right in NZ to shoot trespassers.

i dont want to live in close proximity to any cunt. hence i don't, but even when i do, i'll shoot your cat if it's on any property i'm lawfully on. it is illegal to release pest animals.

most persons don't, but i can assure you, i do.

[Maha]

This one.....

Is that guy wearing a gimp suit?

[caspernz]

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it.

Some interesting points have been brought up, Katman was the first to ask what my lane position was.

Normally I ride down the T3 lane in the LH wheel track on the basis that I am further away and have infintesimally longer to react to a car in the centre lane who suddenly wants to change to the T3 lane and can't be bothered either looking over their left shoulder or indicting.

At intersections I either stay where I am if there are no cars waiting to come out of the intersection or fade to the right of the lane if there are cars there and the centre lane completely blocks the intersection (no-exit side streets don't have 'keep clear' markings), again giving myself that nanosecond extra to react to the car which thinks they'll just pop out of the side street and cruise down the T3 lane a while.

In the case on Monday, I thought I had hazards on both my left (cars waiting to exit the side street) and the right (cars which might change lanes into the T3 lane or cross into the side street from the other way). I had therefore eased into the centre of the lane to give myself the maximum distance from both sides - the road was dry so I discounted any likely problem with the centre strip being oily. I had eased off the throttle and rear braked to bring my speed down, I was watching the road not my speedo but I know I'd slowed from 55 which I'd checked further up the road, and knowing my bike estimate that I was doing 40 to 45.

I cannot ride a taller bike. Well, I could, and have ridden a Honda ST1100 and a Triumph ST, but in both cases (and I rode the ST1100 for three years) I was extremely uncomfortable about my ability to stop the bike and balance it with only the balls of my feet contacting the ground. I found the discomfort about any likely stop ahead was distracting and that, when riding, knowing I would be able to put my feet securely on the ground allows me to concentrate on paying attention to my surroundings. Yes, being a little lower on a cruiser could have contributed to my off, but I was on a cruiser by choice and that's not something that could have or will change.

Please feel free to bicker and snarl at each other, I've had enough and won't be posting regularly again.

I hope someone learns something from my thread

Sad to see, but not surprised, this thread deviate from the topic. Brave of you to lay it all out for the combined audience of KB to offer criticism and/or ridicule. Hope you heal up well and soon!

[Maha]

i dont want to live in close proximity to any cunt.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you do live in close proximity to one, the cramped conditions can't be helped.

[old slider]

Glad you are still amongst us Old Steve, your post like others I have read give me and others an opportunity to hopefully become more aware, thus increasing our survival chances, being forewarned, is as they say, forearmed, any prior knowledge of the hazards or problems with motorcycling is great for us who are not so skilled as many others on here.

[trufflebutter]

I doubt anyone reading such a post will alter their riding style and habit, especially questionable styles or habits. One can only hope that any new rider who glances over such a posts/threads, will bypass the bullshit juvenile time wasting chest beaters that regularly creep into threads at times.

Riding in severely heavy traffic at peak times musters up a whole different degree of vigilance than that of any given country road.
Good posts Old Steve, glad you're okay Bike damage is nothing, body damage can be insurmountable.

[Doppleganger]

Wish you a speedy recovery mate.
No need to listen to the twats on here that know everything from your name sake up.

[eldog]

This post reminded me of the use of checking off possible hazards esp while in traffic.
All too often lately, I have found that I have become complacent in my riding.

All too trusting in my ability to judge events and being able to respond.


When I first read the OP I imagined his position to be exactly how he described it in a later post.

I have appreciated the 'heads up' call for myself.
Its actually one of the reasons I do the occasional group ride.
To stop bad habits forming.

Thanks Old Steve

[release_the_bees]

This post reminded me of the use of checking off possible hazards esp while in traffic.
All too often lately, I have found that I have become complacent in my riding..

Likewise. As somebody who rides daily on the road where the accident occurred, this thread has served as a timely wake up call.



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[old slider]

This post reminded me of the use of checking off possible hazards esp while in traffic.
All too often lately, I have found that I have become complacent in my riding.

All too trusting in my ability to judge events and being able to respond.


When I first read the OP I imagined his position to be exactly how he described it in a later post.

I have appreciated the 'heads up' call for myself.
Its actually one of the reasons I do the occasional group ride.
To stop bad habits forming.

Thanks Old Steve

Maybe my safe following distance on a 50km two lane road, (the main street of Town) was too much for the twat who pushed me to the left as they passed into oncoming traffic at the same time as we were crossing a controlled intersection then braked hard suddenly in front of me to make a right hand turn. Maybe one of those chains that you can swing at an idiots vehicle to wake them up is the way to go.

[eldog]

Maybe my safe following distance on a 50km two lane road, (the main street of Town) was too much for the twat who pushed me to the left as they passed into oncoming traffic at the same time as we were crossing a controlled intersection then braked hard suddenly in front of me to make a right hand turn. Maybe one of those chains that you can swing at an idiots vehicle to wake them up is the way to go.

Obviously they were under a great deal of peer pressure to keep up with the rest of the group.

Your better off avoiding those knumb nuts

[Akzle]

Maybe my safe following distance on a 50km two lane road, (the main street of Town) was too much for the twat who pushed me to the left as they passed into oncoming traffic at the same time as we were crossing a controlled intersection then braked hard suddenly in front of me to make a right hand turn. Maybe one of those chains that you can swing at an idiots vehicle to wake them up is the way to go.

something to do with "sizing up your opponents"... 2Tonnes of metal and plastic vs your squishy carcass...

[Ulsterkiwi]

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it.

Some interesting points have been brought up, Katman was the first to ask what my lane position was.

Normally I ride down the T3 lane in the LH wheel track on the basis that I am further away and have infintesimally longer to react to a car in the centre lane who suddenly wants to change to the T3 lane and can't be bothered either looking over their left shoulder or indicting.

At intersections I either stay where I am if there are no cars waiting to come out of the intersection or fade to the right of the lane if there are cars there and the centre lane completely blocks the intersection (no-exit side streets don't have 'keep clear' markings), again giving myself that nanosecond extra to react to the car which thinks they'll just pop out of the side street and cruise down the T3 lane a while.

In the case on Monday, I thought I had hazards on both my left (cars waiting to exit the side street) and the right (cars which might change lanes into the T3 lane or cross into the side street from the other way). I had therefore eased into the centre of the lane to give myself the maximum distance from both sides - the road was dry so I discounted any likely problem with the centre strip being oily. I had eased off the throttle and rear braked to bring my speed down, I was watching the road not my speedo but I know I'd slowed from 55 which I'd checked further up the road, and knowing my bike estimate that I was doing 40 to 45.

I cannot ride a taller bike. Well, I could, and have ridden a Honda ST1100 and a Triumph ST, but in both cases (and I rode the ST1100 for three years) I was extremely uncomfortable about my ability to stop the bike and balance it with only the balls of my feet contacting the ground. I found the discomfort about any likely stop ahead was distracting and that, when riding, knowing I would be able to put my feet securely on the ground allows me to concentrate on paying attention to my surroundings. Yes, being a little lower on a cruiser could have contributed to my off, but I was on a cruiser by choice and that's not something that could have or will change.

Please feel free to bicker and snarl at each other, I've had enough and won't be posting regularly again.

I hope someone learns something from my thread

apologies if my posts deviated from the intent of your thread. With the caveat that I am not referring to any of your comments, sometimes I cannot ignore stupidity and misinformation being promoted.

Your reflections on what happened challenged me to think about what I would do in your situation, so thank you. Hope you have a speedy recovery.