The most dangerous things you see other riders doing on the road.

**Blackbird** · 15th January 2017, 13:59

Originally Posted by SVboy

Cassina is as intractable as his comments are irrelevant. What OAB has skilfully done is open a debate on safe practices in group riding, encouraging us to reflect on our own skillset.Cassina's inability to understand other viewpoints and stuck record syndrome make us come back and read, and think.(if just to wonder how a person like this could exist, let alone ride a bike!) Well done OAB!

+1 with those sentiments!

Just to stoke the flames in certain quarters, there's a research paper from a University of Coventry research fellow who is a keen rider himself which which indicates that "experienced" riders (as opposed to those who actively seek training opportunities from time to time) were not particularly good at hazard perception. Trying to succinctly paraphrase the results, bad habits picked up over the years detracted from general situational awareness. There's obviously a lot more detail than that but that's the guts of it. Probably unsurprising given all the posts in this thread

**Katman** · 15th January 2017, 14:20

Originally Posted by SVboy

Cassina is as intractable as his comments are irrelevant. What OAB has skilfully done is open a debate on safe practices in group riding, encouraging us to reflect on our own skillset.Cassina's inability to understand other viewpoints and stuck record syndrome make us come back and read, and think.(if just to wonder how a person like this could exist, let alone ride a bike!) Well done OAB!

Can you possibly fit your tongue any further up his arse?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 15th January 2017, 14:23

Originally Posted by Blackbird

Just to stoke the flames in certain quarters, there's a research paper from a University of Coventry research fellow who is a keen rider himself which which indicates that "experienced" riders (as opposed to those who actively seek training opportunities from time to time) were not particularly good at hazard perception. :

Think the word *lazy* needs to find it's self in there.

**Blackbird** · 15th January 2017, 14:26

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Think the word *lazy* needs to find it's self in there.

**Moi** · 15th January 2017, 15:15

Originally Posted by Blackbird

+1 with those sentiments!

Just to stoke the flames in certain quarters, there's a research paper from a University of Coventry research fellow who is a keen rider himself which which indicates that "experienced" riders (as opposed to those who actively seek training opportunities from time to time) were not particularly good at hazard perception. Trying to succinctly paraphrase the results, bad habits picked up over the years detracted from general situational awareness. There's obviously a lot more detail than that but that's the guts of it. Probably unsurprising given all the posts in this thread

This it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25180786

Note the other papers listed to the right...

**Blackbird** · 15th January 2017, 15:18

Originally Posted by Moi

This it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25180786

Note the other papers listed to the right...

No. I've seen that one too.

**onearmedbandit** · 15th January 2017, 15:22

Originally Posted by trufflebutter

Once his/her name was mentioned in post #1 it was inevitable. OP didn't see it that way ''Oh and this isn't a thread aimed at cassina''
There was no need to have cassina's name in the first post, it was an invitation by doing so.

That's your twist on it. The idea was suggested by cassina in another thread, had it been anyone else I would've given credit there too. This wasn't intended at all to target cassina but to do exactly what I said in the first post, to get our perception as riders.

**AllanB** · 15th January 2017, 15:28

Usual shit today on a busy road - couple bikes ahead of me - looked to be taking care and not letting the traffic irritate them - lasted about 10kms I reckon until the pass and keep passing regardless of visibility mode plugged in.

Usual Sunday stuff.

Carry on.

Mrs B asked how the ride was 'meh - too many cars..' must wake up earlier.

**SVboy** · 15th January 2017, 15:42

Originally Posted by Katman

Can you possibly fit your tongue any further up his arse?

Can you possibly say anything constructive?

**KawasakiKid** · 15th January 2017, 16:04

There is always much talk of returning riders, usually 45 years + and the mayhem they create. Fair amount of truth to that, though certainly not in all cases. Most return on a large cruiser, Harley etc. Very heavy and not agile.....possibly like the owner. There definitely needs to be training in this area. The majority of returning riders need to work on their game, very few come back naturally.

The same can often be said for middle aged riders who are not returners, they get careless because they think they know it all.....sorry no-one does because there is always change. Technology of course.

And old riders....should they stop? are they dangerous? I have a friend who rides every day....at 74 dare I say he is virtually perfect in his riding. He rides into the town he lives, better than taking a car...usually 2-up with his wife. No problem, I have ridden open road in a group with him on sportbikes, do you think he has issues when in a group....fear, ego, etc........NO. Nobody can see the crystal ball and say rider 'X' is under the group ride spell that Cassina (in particular) speaks of.

The biggest worry I have today about bike riding is that it will end too soon for me, if my health gets bad. People are always going to crash, going to die on bikes. It's sad but it will never stop. Best to enjoy the motorcycle, treat every day as learning and love the adventure.

**Blackbird** · 15th January 2017, 16:29

Originally Posted by KawasakiKid

The biggest worry I have today about bike riding is that it will end too soon for me, if my health gets bad. People are always going to crash, going to die on bikes. It's sad but it will never stop. Best to enjoy the motorcycle, treat every day as learning and love the adventure.

Amen to all that

Have been riding since I was 16 and hit 70 later this year. Knees are pretty stuffed but apart from that, not too bad. Just thankful that I've been able to ride for so long. There aren't too many things that I'm truly passionate about but riding is one of them. Just trying to do what I can to safely extend my riding for a few more years.

**Akzle** · 15th January 2017, 18:07

Originally Posted by KawasakiKid

There is always much talk of returning riders, usually 45 years + and the mayhem they create. Fair amount of truth to that, though certainly not in all cases. Most return on a large cruiser, Harley etc. Very heavy and not agile.....possibly like the owner. There definitely needs to be training in this area. The majority of returning riders need to work on their game, very few come back naturally.

The same can often be said for middle aged riders who are not returners, they get careless because they think they know it all.....sorry no-one does because there is always change. Technology of course.

And old riders....should they stop? are they dangerous? I have a friend who rides every day....at 74 dare I say he is virtually perfect in his riding. He rides into the town he lives, better than taking a car...usually 2-up with his wife. No problem, I have ridden open road in a group with him on sportbikes, do you think he has issues when in a group....fear, ego, etc........NO. Nobody can see the crystal ball and say rider 'X' is under the group ride spell that Cassina (in particular) speaks of.

The biggest worry I have today about bike riding is that it will end too soon for me, if my health gets bad. People are always going to crash, going to die on bikes. It's sad but it will never stop. Best to enjoy the motorcycle, treat every day as learning and love the adventure.

rbgiafp .