AA not happy we're getting off speed camera fines.

[granstar]

Exactly, I think there are plenty more who agree..

Valid point on a valid point, surely safer to increase speed get out and past and back in safely than to leave yourself vulnerable by crawling past. If you haven't the power to pass you shouldn't, if you cannot pass safely leaving plenty of space for any oncoming you shouldn't, often see many think they can make with poor judgement and just do, one day they won't. A lot to be said about reading ahead and knowing what your bike is capable of.
Rarely pass on my old Triumph in case it starts to fall apart half way through the pass

[FJRider]

I had my impressions reinforced over the break. People try to overtake at the minimum possible speed which means increased exposure to danger for them and increased frustration for those behind them. In my opinion the Police hierarchy are reponsible for killing people with their simple minded and inappropriate focus on speed.

Perhaps they believe that if they cannot overtake safely without exceeding the posted speed limit ... they stay safely in their own lane.

In my opinion ... it is the people with the single minded (some may say inappropriate) focus on being in front ... is killing themselves ... and others.

[pritch]

Perhaps they believe that if they cannot overtake safely without exceeding the posted speed limit ... they stay safely in their own lane.

That wouldn't be a problem, or at least it'd be a different problem. It's the ones who either use up the whole passing lane because they won't speed up, or more importantly the ones who overtake at minimum speed where there is no passing lane. It's called the wrong side of the road for a reason, and the less time spent there the better generally speaking. And no I'm not suggesting you need to do 180kph every time.
(Dunno why, that 180 just popped into my head.)

Some respected riding texts counsel briefly exceeding the speed limit to execute a quick overtake. They also mention that it would be a waste of time trying to explain to a cop what you were doing if you were unlucky enough to be caught. Just accept the additional road tax for what it is.

[Scuba_Steve]

You dont understand human nature then if you think the roads would be safer if speed limits were not policed. There are some 50km roads in ChCh that I would be doing 60 - 70k on (depending on traffic density) if there was no policing of speed limits.

I have a much much better grasp of human nature than you it seems (hint: people as a general rule don't want to die or be injured); You also failed to provide any real argument I would travel 110km/h on a 60km/h road in Porirua if it weren't policed... & guess what I used to travel 110km/h on said road, but back then it was a 100km/h road; the road hasn't changed, the made up number has (and is now so low even the slowest drivers on the road "speed" round it)

[swbarnett]

You dont understand human nature then if you think the roads would be safer if speed limits were not policed. There are some 50km roads in ChCh that I would be doing 60 - 70k on (depending on traffic density) if there was no policing of speed limits.

So, you extrapolate from the fact that you would go faster if there was no enforcement to lower speed enforcemnt making roads more dangerous? Bloody hell, you need lessons in logic, human nature, the workings of the universe and preferably how to take your foot out of your mouth at the same time.

SPEED DOES NOT KILL!!! Never has, never will. Unless you live in a different universe with completely different physical laws. Come to think of it, your posts do suggest strongly that you're not of this universe.

[FJRider]

It's the ones who either use up the whole passing lane because they won't speed up, or more importantly the ones who overtake at minimum speed where there is no passing lane.

I notice there is a culture (for want of a better word) in overtaking vehicles ... the vehicles in the cue MUST overtake in the order they are lined up ... regardless of the actual ability to complete it quickly and safely. Few give the opportunity for the faster vehicles to go first. The "ME FIRST" attitude prevails in most cases ... regardless though of their position in the cue.
I put it down to the simple refusal of everybody to be inconvenienced by anybody else.

(Dunno why, that 180 just popped into my head.)

Some respected riding texts counsel briefly exceeding the speed limit to execute a quick overtake. They also mention that it would be a waste of time trying to explain to a cop what you were doing if you were unlucky enough to be caught. Just accept the additional road tax for what it is.

I guess your speed triple would have as much difficulty to overtake as my FJ I've had the odd "chat" with cops about my overtaking ... but few considering the number of overtakes I've made. And NONE charging me with the actual speeds I was doing at the time .. even with the locked on speeds they had.

[onearmedbandit]

You have never heard the saying "The Faster You Go The Bigger The Mess"? Maybe it will take for that to happen to you before you understand, if you survive your crash that is.

Only if things go wrong. Speed in itself does not kill.

[george formby]

You have never heard the saying "The Faster You Go The Bigger The Mess"? Maybe it will take for that to happen to you before you understand, if you survive your crash that is.

IIRC that is an advertising slogan not a saying, similar to "show us your crack" or "Coke adds life". Or even, "Zoom, zoom, zoom....".

[swbarnett]

You have never heard the saying "The Faster You Go The Bigger The Mess"?

I've heard it. You've obviously bought that logical fallacy hook, line and sinker. If that were true every astronaut would've died less than a minute after lift-off. If they's said "The Faster you HIT, The Bigger The Mess" then I could agree with them. First there must be an impact for the velocity of that impact to be a factor in the size of the mess (note that I said velocity, not speed - direction is also very important)

At least for me enforcement just makes me want to go faster to show those self-important twats that they are dead wrong. According to TPTB I should've died a thousand times by now.

Maybe it will take for that to happen to you before you understand, if you survive your crash that is.

I've had a few accidents. Most within the first two years of my riding career. I've never had more than the odd bruise. I've never come off on the open road and never been over the speed limit when I come off. I've had plenty of dogs run out either at or in front of me and I've never hit one or come off as a result.

And while we're on the subject of carnage, momentum is far more important in a collision than speed. Seeing as how you believe the "speed kills" bullshit, can you please tell me why trucks are legally allowed to carry a great deal more momentum than we are? A bike would have to do something like 500kph to carry the same momentum as even a small truck at 90kph.

[Zedder]

IIRC that is an advertising slogan not a saying, similar to "show us your crack" or "Coke adds life". Or even, "Zoom, zoom, zoom....".

Very much so. The slogan was part of an advert that started with "If you're driving at 90 kilometers per hour and crash..." The crash is an IF situation not a definite, just like OAB wrote about "Only if things go wrong..."

[Zedder]

And while we're on the subject of carnage, momentum is far more important in a collision than speed. Seeing as how you believe the "speed kills" bullshit, can you please tell me why trucks are legally allowed to carry a great deal more momentum than we are? A bike would have to do something like 500kph to carry the same momentum as even a small truck at 90kph.

I was reading the stats on the no speed limit trial in Oz's Northern Territory. Over the test year and the 11 crashes with no fatalities, there was only one serious injury which involved alcohol and no seatbelt. There was nothing involving speed.

[Swoop]

You have never heard the saying "The Faster You Go The Bigger The Mess"?

It's nice to know you are gullible enough to absorb the propaganda.
It should be "The faster you go, the sooner you get there".

Coming to a sudden and abrupt stop, is a different matter, but you should already know that and ride accordingly.

[Scuba_Steve]

You might be alright over the speed limit but dont forget everyone else irrespective of ability will be thinling the same that they are ok over the limit too and if you dont believe more accidents will happen as a result you live in a cocoon.

Or you've read the countless studies to show less accidents would & do happen, looked at the countries where less accident do happen (Spoiler: sowest roads in the world have most deaths, fastest ones have least), have an idea about human psychology, are able to grasp logic, you know become educated rather than buying into propoganda... Putting a number on a sign doesn't magically make the roads unsafe if you travel faster than said displayed number, nor does it magically make them safe if you travel slower than said number
If speed killed Hammond would be dead, the faster you go the quicker you get there*

[george formby]

You might be alright over the speed limit but dont forget everyone else irrespective of ability will be thinling the same that they are ok over the limit too and if you dont believe more accidents will happen as a result you live in a cocoon.

First world countries that have a significantly higher speed limit than ours also have a significantly lower road toll per capita. Admittedly the roads are generally in better condition and the licensing process is more stringent. That's another way of saying more training and practice before you can have free rein.

To follow your line of thinking to it's conclusion we will all end up on segways and heavy goods will be transported by golf carts.

If you need a hammer to break out of your shell, I have eleven and you can have my pointy ended mallet for the courier cost.

[george formby]

To blame the roads is a cop out and I bet those countries that have better roads have a far higher registration charge than ours to pay for them. Not everyone would feel comfortable paying higher registration/taxes for 'better" roads so why not take training or buy a vehicle more suited to the roads we have got.

You think training is worthless and regardless of your ride the tires are made of rubber, you convinced yourself that an adventure style bike was more appropriate with no physical evidence. Most of the countries which have higher speed limits also have more extreme weather than we do and higher densities of traffic. Here and everywhere else in the world roads are roads, it's how we use them that matters. Your panacea for improvement is pure snake oil and quackery.

PM me your address and I will send the hammer for free.